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Old 10-22-2015, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Things like dishwashers and washer/dryers aren't standard items in most households.
Not true.

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Old 10-22-2015, 09:46 PM
 
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Not true.

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Old 10-22-2015, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Yes true
No, it isn't, and if you're going to claim that the majority of households in Denmark, in 2015, do not have a dishwasher, washer, or dryer, please post something to back up your claim.
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:11 PM
 
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No, it isn't, and if you're going to claim that the majority of households in Denmark, in 2015, do not have a dishwasher, washer, or dryer, please post something to back up your claim.
Sigh, just visit the country if you don't believe me. People seriously need to do more traveling so they don't come off as so ignorant.
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I don't invest in any of that ****, and my wife and I could retire right now in our 40's. We own 4 rental properties, and 3 of them are paid off. We clear $2700 a month from our properties right now.

Add to this that we own close to 70k in raw Colombian emeralds that we plan on having cut and sold when we retire in 15 years or so.

I don't trust stocks at all
I agree with you in that I don't trust stocks. Besides, I'm not an inside trader, so I am deprived of valuable information and therefore investing in stocks would be a risky business for me.

As a graduate of the Gemological Institute of America, formally employed by the largest South American gem company in both their Miami and New York branches, and having been to Colombia, I'm not so sure I would be investing in emeralds these days. One of my specialties was in fact emeralds and part of my gemological education was discerning emeralds from the Muzo mine in Colombia (generally, but not always the superior crystals) and the Chivor mine. It has to do with the nature of the characteristic inclusions. Anyway, it seems to me that both those mines have seen better days and the very best emeralds these days are coming out of Africa. It has to do with the Chromium vs. Vanadium ratio in the African gems that are giving them a superior coloration. But I digress ...
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:24 PM
 
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Sigh, just visit the country if you don't believe me. People seriously need to do more traveling so they don't come off as so ignorant.
It's not true though. A Dane would laugh at such nonsense. The lowest paid full time worker in Denmark gets paid about $22000 after tax. That person would have basically no extra expenses for health care, child care, higher education, paid family leave or retirement. It's all covered by payroll and income taxes already paid. Plus 6 weeks paid vacation per year. A washing machine would cost about $300. Same with dish washer. Including all taxes. Its ridiculous to suggest that such an outlay for a washing machine is too much for a low wage worker in Denmark.

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Old 10-22-2015, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Nobody can donate a million dollars to a candidate. This is and has been for a long time, illegal. Why is it that those like yourself that speak on this speak with such authority but yet you have no clue what you are talking about?
The top donor gave $800,000; I rounded up to a million, though my exact phrasing was almost a million (as in not technically a million).

And really, that doesn't even vaguely matter when you're top 3 donors (Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and DAL Piper) donated a collective total of $2,285,672. That's just the top 3 out of 20. Noting that the smallest donor still goes over $300,000. With that kind of money backing you, who really stands a solid chance? You'd need a solid ****ing campaign message to get on top of that. Hillary is lucky enough to capitalize on being a woman (and being a political dynasty) and her main Democratic opponent being under constant fire by everyone for being a socialist.

This isn't democracy. When that much money is attached to political candidates, we the people don't matter. Why do you think the opposite? Are you of the type that thinks a free market means we can't restrict business from dismantling democracy? Because that's insane.
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Sigh, just visit the country if you don't believe me. People seriously need to do more traveling so they don't come off as so ignorant.
So you make a claim on a message board and when asked for proof and statistics, your answer is "just visit the country?"

What good would that do? Most tourists stay in hotels.

Sigh.

I have been to Denmark, and most other countries in Europe. It's funny you assume (like many young Bernie supporters, actually) that anyone who asks for evidence about a claim concerning Europe, has never actually left the United States, and we are just a bunch of yokels.

The most recent data I can find without doing too much work is from 1997, and at that time, 71% of households in Denmark at least had a washing machine.

You made the claim that "things like dishwashers and washer/dryers aren't standard items in most households," so it should be YOU who backs that up with facts.

I mean, other than just "visit the country."
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Old 10-23-2015, 06:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Certainly not what we have done the last 7 years. I think Sanders idea of a tax on trades to fund education would be one way to make things a little more even.
Bad idea. Guess who would pay the brunt of that tax... the millions of American workers and retirees who have a total of $24 Trillion invested in their pension funds and retirement accounts:

Retirement Question 4 | EBRI

That tax will hurt Joe Policeman much more than it will hurt Bill Ionaire investor.

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Oh, and there are some bankers that need charged and tried for their crimes.
Giving the federal government what they mandated isn't a crime. That's why Mozilo didn't go to prison. Do I need to post the Fannie Mae document touting Countrywide as one of its best "affordable lending" partners which gave Countrywide the ability to accept compromised or no credit (GSE "affordable lending" program standards) to approve loans again?
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Old 10-23-2015, 06:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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By declaring war on Wall Street, corporations, the very places where we have our retirements, 401ks, pensions invested.
Exactly. They don't get that. The stupidity in that is stunning. STUNNING!!!

Time and time again, I've pointed out that John and Jane America, working class citizens, have $24 trillion invested in their pension funds and retirement accounts. Attacking Wall Street, corporate profits, and/or raising corporate tax rates punishes John and Jane America.
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