Gubernatorial Race 2018 (engineer, sell, capita)

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

This is all pretty true. I spent a little time yesterday trying to convince someone on Facebook that his claims that Trump's numbers were "110% better" than Obama's were not borne out in facts, and posted a chart showing as such. He said my chart was stupid and useless. I also argued with a girl who said that unemployment was now under 3% thanks to Trump. I said, that's not true...that it's at 3.7% and only 1% lower than when Trump took office. She proceeded to post her evidence with graphic showing that Obama left an unemployment rate of 4.8% (which is 1.1% higher, like I said) and telling me that I was completely wrong. These are people who are bound and determined to believe what they want to believe, and are not swayed by facts or evidence. Even when their own evidence disproves what they are saying, they will just ignore it and move on.

People really have no clue. He was getting all these praises for the economy the day he stepped in office. I remember how much time later when no legislation was passed that would affect the economy (in their minds) that they continued to praise having no common sense that a president cannot affect an economy upon just being elected.



Presidents usually have no influence on GDP/business cycles contrary to popular belief.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by bu2

Why would people vote for someone whose voter registration effort resulting in several indictments for fraud and who opposes efforts to make sure the people who vote really are legitimate voters?

You need to get beyond the talking points. Republicans have justifiable concerns about Democratic party voter fraud because of their long history of doing so in places they have one party control like Chicago, New York and South Texas.

Democrats call it "voter suppression." Republicans call it "ensuring the integrity of the voting process."

Integrity of the voting process? Much research has been done into voter fraud and the people who say voter fraud is prevalent have no base for their claim.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

Exactly. To support the Constitution is to support the entire Constitution, not just the pieces that one likes.

Exactly...I was talking with some friends just the other day about those who like to pick and choose what benefits them. We were saying that people do that often with the Bible.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by DreamerD

People really have no clue. He was getting all these praises for the economy the day he stepped in office. I remember how much time later when no legislation was passed that would affect the economy (in their minds) that they continued to praise having no common sense that a president cannot affect an economy upon just being elected.

Yeah, I think I've come to the conclusion that many, if not most, of these big "supporters" are just trolling the country. They got a complete buffoon put in office as kind of a "*********" joke and are now continuing the ruse.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

....really? Please tell me you don't honestly sit there with a straight face and type this stuff. This is comedy gold.

There is an element of truth to it.

It's not yet entered the mainstream Democratic party but the fringe/far left elements of the party are pushing us toward socialism. There is a radical embrace of Marxism on the far left right now which is quite disturbing. It is also turning off moderates from even mainstream members of the party.

I say that as a mostly liberal/left leaning person.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Some notable and important highlights of the poll are that:

> 51% of those polled approve of President Donald Trump, while 48% disapprove...

> 45% of likely voters say the country is on the right track, while 51% of the likely voters in the poll say that they do not believe the country is on the right track...

> 44% of those polled don’t believe the allegations against Kavanaugh, while 40% do believe the allegations against Justice Kavanaugh...

> 49% of those polled support Kavanaugh’s nomination, while 44% oppose his nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Looking at these results, I'm going to assume this poll was taken somewhere in deep north Georgia.

LOL, if this poll had been taken in deep north Georgia, Donald Trump would have polled somewhere upwards of about 80% approval or so... That's how overwhelmingly popular Trump continues to be with far-outer suburban, exurban and rural white voters, particularly in an extremely Republican-heavy area like deep north Georgia.

Originally Posted by Forhall

A poll that has Trump +3 and Kavanaugh +4 only has Kemp at +1. If the electorate does look like that, he's got it. If it does not, he may be in trouble. We will see. We still don't know what early vote data is saying other than possible high turnout for a midterm. In 2014 Deal won reelection by about 6% with 37% turnout. Estimates are closer to 45-50% this year. Clearly the electorate is going to look different, just not sure if it helps Abrams or Kemp. My gut is the extra voters are a mix of the new residents in Metro ATL, young people who ignored 2014, and POC inspired by Abrams and/or turned off by Trump and the Republicans party turn towards being open racists and fascists. All of these groups lean democratic. No way to know until the votes are counted though.

These are some excellent points that reflect that the makeup of the poll is likely modeled after the makeup of a Georgia electorate that may be closer to the makeup of the 2014 midterm electorate than a 2018 midterm electorate which appears as if it may be noticeably larger, more diverse (higher minority and moderate/progressive voter turnout) and more fluid (with suburban white female voters not necessarily seeming to be the lock for the GOP that they have been for the last 40 years or so).

[BR Valentine]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

LOL, if this poll had been taken in deep north Georgia, Donald Trump would have polled somewhere upwards of about 80% approval or so... That's how overwhelmingly popular Trump continues to be with far-outer suburban, exurban and rural white voters, particularly in an extremely Republican-heavy area like deep north Georgia.


These are some excellent points that reflect that the makeup of the poll is likely modeled after the makeup of a Georgia electorate that may be closer to the makeup of the 2014 midterm electorate than a 2018 midterm electorate which appears as if it may be noticeably larger, more diverse (higher minority and moderate/progressive voter turnout) and more fluid (with suburban white female voters not necessarily seeming to be the lock for the GOP that they have been for the last 40 years or so).

I have a friend who is a republican pollster. He’s not working for any campaigns in Georgia, however, he has said that he is constantly worried that he’s getting his modeling correct becuase turnout is pretty much assured to be different from previous midterms in competitive elections. He recently said that he has three campaigns where public polling show his candidates with small leads. His own polling shows two dead heats and one candidate slightly behind his opponent.

Originally Posted by atltechdude

There is an element of truth to it.

It's not yet entered the mainstream Democratic party but the fringe/far left elements of the party are pushing us toward socialism. There is a radical embrace of Marxism on the far left right now which is quite disturbing. It is also turning off moderates from even mainstream members of the party.

I say that as a mostly liberal/left leaning person.

Yeah, that move toward socialism thing isn’t happening. Let me know when the Democrats platform calls for nationalizing industries.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by BR Valentine

Yeah, that move toward socialism thing isn’t happening. Let me know when the Democrats platform calls for nationalizing industries.

Did you read my post?

I said it has NOT made it into the mainstream democratic party. Therefore of course it would not be in any Dem platform.

I said extreme elements of the far left are embracing socialsim/Marxism, and they are.

It's as disturbing to me as the rise of white nationalism on the far right.

You won't find white nationalism in the GOP platform either but if you are left leaning you would be blind to not see how people holding that kind view are starting to influence GOP policy.

I do not want to see socialism infiltrate the Dem party in the same way. That's why I think it is perfectly fair to call out the far left as going to far on that. I usually vote Dem because the GOP has just about gone off the deep end when it comes to right leaning extremism. However, I believe in capitalism and that means economic outcomes are going to differ and that's reality. I still want an America where your economic output is connected to the value of the goods and services you produce, not handed to you in an equal share by the government.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by atltechdude

Did you read my post?

I said it has NOT made it into the mainstream democratic party. Therefore of course it would not be in any Dem platform.

I said extreme elements of the far left are embracing socialsim/Marxism, and they are.

It's as disturbing to me as the rise of white nationalism on the far right.

You won't find white nationalism in the GOP platform either but if you are left leaning you would be blind to not see how people holding that kind view are starting to influence GOP policy.

I do not want to see socialism infiltrate the Dem party in the same way. That's why I think it is perfectly fair to call out the far left as going to far on that. I usually vote Dem because the GOP has just about gone off the deep end when it comes to right leaning extremism. However, I believe in capitalism and that means economic outcomes are going to differ and that's reality. I still want an America where your economic output is connected to the value of the goods and services you produce, not handed to you in an equal share by the government.

Universal healthcare and affordable education is as disturbing to you as white nationalism? That's the thing about the so called "socialist" left. Constantly scapegoated and attacked as socialists like it's something bad, when all most are advocating for are things that literally EVERY other first world country have. The most "socialist" thing the furthest left person calls for is Medicare for all and student loan relief, things people in other civilized countries don't have to fight for. It's ridiculous. The far right controls the narrative and they label anything that is a threat to protecting the top 0.1% "socialist".

Republicans have to scare people against those policies because they know once we actually get them everyone will see how great they are. Give the masses of peasants a taste of actual social safety nets from the wealthiest country on Earth and they'll never go back, then how will the top 0.1% continue to avoid paying less taxes than their secretaries?

[BR Valentine]

Originally Posted by atltechdude

Did you read my post?

I said it has NOT made it into the mainstream democratic party. Therefore of course it would not be in any Dem platform.

I said extreme elements of the far left are embracing socialsim/Marxism, and they are.

It's as disturbing to me as the rise of white nationalism on the far right.

You won't find white nationalism in the GOP platform either but if you are left leaning you would be blind to not see how people holding that kind view are starting to influence GOP policy.

I do not want to see socialism infiltrate the Dem party in the same way. That's why I think it is perfectly fair to call out the far left as going to far on that. I usually vote Dem because the GOP has just about gone off the deep end when it comes to right leaning extremism. However, I believe in capitalism and that means economic outcomes are going to differ and that's reality. I still want an America where your economic output is connected to the value of the goods and services you produce, not handed to you in an equal share by the government.

This is delusional. The Democrats’ donors are never going to let the party embrace anything close to socialism. And equating socialism with white supremacy, seriously?