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Old 08-09-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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they are hired by a congregation to be the Imam of a mosque. Like a minister or a rabbi...
Yes, but that doesn't tell me how they support themselves. Or do they?
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:51 AM
 
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Yes, but that doesn't tell me how they support themselves. Or do they?

They get paid by the mosque who hired them like rabbis and ministers do.

The Imam I know gets paid a salary.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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They get paid by the mosque who hired them like rabbis and ministers do.

The Imam I know gets paid a salary.
Interesting.

Well, then that is the equivalent of Christian priests and ministers passing the basket, then. The congregation supports them one way or the other.

Thank you.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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Interesting.

Well, then that is the equivalent of Christian priests and ministers passing the basket, then. The congregation supports them one way or the other.

Thank you.
A basket is never passed during friday services. Members of the mosque make donations as they choose too.

In Judaism you join a synagogue, a basket is never passed.

In all religions the congregation in one way or another helps with support.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Define "extremist mindset". Are you saying they aren't moderates, but neither are they extremists? Do you think they tacitly (or expressly) support extremism?
Killing people in the name of religion.

They are not moderates because moderation implies innovation or deviation. True Muslims do not innovate nor deviate. They are not extremists because that too implies innovation or deviation.

Muslims are simply that. As they have been since the Prophet introduced the Koran. They follow the rules, they live their life, much the same as you and I. What we see on the 9 o'clock news is NOT typical of the religion. It is the rare and terrible exception.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Muslims take treats to their cultural identity very seriously, whether they are doctors or not.
That was made no more evident than with the Arizona father who ran his daughter over with the family SUV for being too "westernized". She died from her injuries, and he tried to flee the country to avoid arrest. He was apprehended. The only difference between this father and other hardline traditional muslim fathers is that he just LOST it.

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I don't think that Islam has degrees. It is a black or white religion. You are or you aren't. They shun the moderate "modern" mindset as strongly as they shun the extremist mindset.
While most religions have their extremists, what you stated above is true of Islam. There is NO middle ground in Islamic society. The sad part is that the extremist side will win out, because there is no room for "tolerance" or "moderation" in Shariah Law. To conform to our way of life, deviation from tradition is mandatory.

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A basket is never passed during friday services. Members of the mosque make donations as they choose too.
Same as in Christian churches. People choose to tithe. If you choose not to, pass the basket on.
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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I am curious are there any muslims here who can talk about Islam honestly.
They are much too busy cutting and pasting quranic scripture on other threads to bother with this subject.
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:13 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Killing people in the name of religion.

They are not moderates because moderation implies innovation or deviation. True Muslims do not innovate nor deviate. They are not extremists because that too implies innovation or deviation.

Muslims are simply that. As they have been since the Prophet introduced the Koran. They follow the rules, they live their life, much the same as you and I. What we see on the 9 o'clock news is NOT typical of the religion. It is the rare and terrible exception.

20yrsinBranson
If you change word "moderate" to "progressive" in this post I think you're largely correct. The problem is moderation doesn't necessarily imply innovation, it implies well moderation. It's a matter of temperament and compromise, which a traditionalist can compromise on some things. So basically if you switch that word I think what results is largely right to what I know.

So it becomes

"They are not progressives because progress implies innovation or deviation. True Muslims do not innovate nor deviate. They are not extremists because that too implies innovation or deviation.

Muslims are simply that. As they have been since the Prophet introduced the Koran. They follow the rules, they live their life, much the same as you and I. What we see on the 9 o'clock news is NOT typical of the religion. It is the rare and terrible exception.

20yrsinBranson"

It's true a large amount of Muslims just follow a tradition and are neither extremists nor wanting to change Islam to be more "progressive."
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Old 08-09-2010, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Just checking in to see how many moderate Muslims have posted in this thread to defend the moderates or condemn the fanatical element of Islam...None yet? I had such hopes!
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Old 08-09-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Which is potentially weird as there's at least one moderate Muslim who posts on the forum for an SF magazine I read. Said magazine has less than 20,000 subscribers.

Although some moderate to liberal Muslims feel that defending themselves implies that they are a suspect of something. That they should be "innocent until proven guilty" and that people of other faiths would get that right. (Not here of course, where philosophies or religions are sometimes guilty until proven innocent.)
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