Congresswoman shot, federal judge killed by mass murderer in Arizona (influence, advocate)

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Miborn

Jared Loughner YouTube Videos, MySpace Suggest Alleged Shooter May Have Ties To Hate Group

may have ties to anti-Semitic, anti-immigration hate group American Renaissance, according to a leaked memo from the Department of Homeland Security.

It's unclear whether Loughner maintains a direct connection to the group, however, "strong suspicion is being directed" at American Renaissance in the wake of the group being referenced in Loughner's Myspace and YouTube videos, according to the memo, which was obtained (http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/latest-on-shooting-of-congresswoman-giffords-motivation-anti-semitic-and-she-was-the-target/ - broken link) by Fox News.

Jared Loughner YouTube Videos, MySpace Suggest Alleged Shooter May Have Ties To Hate Group

The same group whose members made death threats against Judge John Roll.

This cannot be a coincidence.

[JazzyTallGuy]

Originally Posted by africanboy

"If we don't get what we want at the ballot box, we can always turn to our 2nd Amendment remedies."

-Sharron Angle

That's just the kind of talk that creates an environment for this shootings and other acts of violence.

That is part of American history. When various groups find they are not getting what they want through the political process they resort to violence.

[AnUnidentifiedMale]

Originally Posted by majoun

The same group whose members made death threats against Judge John Roll.

This cannot be a coincidence.

I read that there were death threats against Judge Roll, but I didn't see anything that said American Renaissance was responsible for it. Do you have more information?

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by malamute

Everyone who knew him in school knew him to be a leftist and knew he was turning radical leftist. He showed himself burning a USA flag in that one video. One of his listed books was the Communist Manifesto, he hated religion.

The liberals on here were jumping and frothing at the mouth trying to put this on Palin and Conservatives within seconds of the shootings. Just go back and look at the postings - they immediately began trying to exploit this tragedy. Never would accept the guy was most likely a paranoid schizophrenic in a psychotic break. Immediately they tried to make it political.

1. "Everyone", meaning one person who hasn't seen him for 4 years.

2. Pot, meet Kettle.

Originally Posted by malamute

And let's include liberal talk show host Kilbourne who couldn't have been more explicit in calling for the assassination of Bush.

No one seems to have a problem with that - that's free speech of course, can't be censored - even though he clearly wanted Bush killed.

Is he a politician? I mean, it's not right, but politicians should be a little more circumspect.

Originally Posted by gizmo980

So what? I read the Yahoo boards right after it happened, and people were also speculating he was a Mexican immigrant who opposed her immigration views... one poster even made up a Hispanic name, and declared "Jose Hernandez" had been identified as the shooter.

Point being, people on both sides will turn anything into a political debate - yes, even your precious conservatives. You can literally post "the sky is green" on this forum, and within an hour you'll have 10+ pages of debate over who's to blame... the conservatives for brainwashing us into thinking it's green, or the liberals for being too stoned to realize it's actually blue. So don't pretend the conservatives are innocent, because this whole thread would be a mirror image if a Republican had been shot. This behavior is sad, yes, but hardly a one-sided flaw.

One of CD's own said the same thing. Has anyone called her on it? (The thread is closed, so I can only post a link.)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/17317127-post11.html

[majoun]

Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale

When did they make death threats against Judge Roll? I just did a quick search but couldn't find anything about that.

Roger Barnett is affiliated with American Renaissance. The death threats were made against Roll when he refused to drop the civil rights lawsuit against Barnett and rejected a motion by Barnett's lawyer saying that illegal immigrants have no rights and therefore didn't have standing to sue Barnett. AmRen made over 200 death threats against Roll.

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by JazzyTallGuy

That's just the kind of talk that creates an environment for this shootings and other acts of violence.

That is part of American history. When various groups find they are not getting what they want through the political process they resort to violence.

Except it is completely unrelated to this incident, as far as we know.

[Melvin.George]

One lady very adamnately stated that the biggest problem in our country was that there's no longer prayer in schools. She says our youth have no moral values and don't care.

My take on it, having been tutored in religion and assigned bible verses to memorize each week while I was in the third and fourth grades in McKenzie and Milan, TN is...Thank Goodness At Least One Third Of A Child's Authority Figures Is Not Allowed to Pray And Teach Religion. The parents and the church are already reinforcing the bible to 85% of youngsters in this country. When that percentage of our youth are being brainwashed by 2/3rds of their authority figures what chance does anything else have. Maybe the lady would like it if the government forced a Christian Theocracy on us...Ya Think?

[JazzyTallGuy]

Originally Posted by wrench409

Palin's site's use of crosshairs is political - nothing more. Never has been anything else and we all know that.

Are we so PC in this country that we have to attach such wild blame towards someone like this?

There is no need for any kind of damage control.

I'm afraid when somebody says "Don't retreat, reload" they have to be held accountable for their rhetoric. When you combine her comments with using crosshairs to denote Congressional districts that should be "Targeted" the combination is one that leads to an enviormment where people with extreme views advocate violence. As a public figure Sarah Palin is responsible for contributing to the tone of political discourse in this country.

[AnUnidentifiedMale]

Originally Posted by majoun

Roger Barnett is affiliated with American Renaissance. The death threats were made against Roll when he refused to drop the civil rights lawsuit against Barnett and rejected a motion by Barnett's lawyer saying that illegal immigrants have no rights and therefore didn't have standing to sue Barnett. AmRen made over 200 death threats against Roll.

I see that Barnett is affiliated with American Renaissance, but do you have verifiable evidence that it was American Renaissance members who made the death threats?

[usc619]

Originally Posted by Miborn

Jared Loughner YouTube Videos, MySpace Suggest Alleged Shooter May Have Ties To Hate Group

may have ties to anti-Semitic, anti-immigration hate group American Renaissance, according to a leaked memo from the Department of Homeland Security.

It's unclear whether Loughner maintains a direct connection to the group, however, "strong suspicion is being directed" at American Renaissance in the wake of the group being referenced in Loughner's Myspace and YouTube videos, according to the memo, which was obtained (http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/latest-on-shooting-of-congresswoman-giffords-motivation-anti-semitic-and-she-was-the-target/ - broken link) by Fox News.

Jared Loughner YouTube Videos, MySpace Suggest Alleged Shooter May Have Ties To Hate Group

I guess that fat attention ***** who claims to know him has it all wrong.....you know the girl sanrene keeps posting the twitter linkhttp://twitter.com/caitieparker# from lmao. I guess it's safe to say he has more in common with palin than President Obama.