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Old 08-13-2012, 03:51 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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But of that entire list, only voting is a Constitutionally protected right.
Irrelevant. There are plenty of reasonable restrictions placed on just about every right protected by the constitution. You need an ID to buy a gun, despite the 2nd Amendment. Why wouldn't you need an ID to vote?
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Republicans will love these cards intill they start tracking you with them.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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Because he or she chooses not to.
That's a pretty good reason. I don't need to know why someone chooses not to have an ID, it's their life and their decision.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Houston
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yep, which means you COULD NOT check a book out of the library, rent a car, travel by plane, buy tobacco or liqueur, enter a school grounds, use a credit card,open a bank account, cash a check, enter a casino, etc

Ain't no one carded me when trying to buy liqueur for 25 years.

I guarantee you if an ID was required to buy liqueur there would be more people with IDs.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:03 PM
 
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No one is forcing them to have an ID, no one is advocating a "show me your papers" society (at least not in this thread). However, an ID is necessary to exercise certain privileges like
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voting,
As demonstrated above, a protected right. I was going to post Wisconsin's VoterID law, but it was ruled unconstitutional but the Wisconsin Judiciary.

Instead, I have Indiana's.

  • Requires state-issued photo identification, current, or expiration to at most, the last general election.
  • Public-school IDs count only if they meet the criterion.
  • Private-school IDs do not count.
  • Provisional ballots can be cast by those without ID, but they have ten days (!) to show state-issued current photo ID or their ballot gets tossed out.

I can steal someone's identity with a B\C and Social Security card (and a Drivers License) for them with less information.

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driving,
Requires licensure, not identification.

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buying alcohol,
Does not require anything, actually. Resellers have internal policies to confirm purcharsers are of legal age to purchase alcohol.

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obtaining a birth certificate,
B\Cs can be hand without state-issued and current photo-identification.

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obtaining a SS card,
Does not require state-issued and current photo-ID.

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and all of the other numerous things mentioned in this thread.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:04 PM
 
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Republicans will love these cards intill they start tracking you with them.
Clearly this is the way to fight it. Mandate the cards have GPS and RFID so one can be tracked 24\7.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Amendment 14, Section 2:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.


The very wording itself is in the constitution, but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't there, because we still have the rights not in the Constitution, as protected by the 9th Amendment.



So yes, your right to vote is very much a right indeed.
Common argument against requiring ID to vote, but I will show you where that argument fails.

It is not an affirmative protection of a right, hence no right actually exists.

Even the U.S. Supreme Court agreed in Alexander vs Mineta :

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affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution 'does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.' And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is 'qualified.'

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.... the U.S. is one of just 11 nations among 120 or so constitutional democracies that fail to guarantee a right to vote in their constitutions."

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Old 08-13-2012, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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I guess I wasn't clear. When my mother entered the nursing home we had to provide ID for HER.

I have a hard time believing that there are people
in nursing homes that have no identification.
I would think that is a state licensing requirement.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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Clearly this is the way to fight it. Mandate the cards have GPS and RFID so one can be tracked 24\7.
Easier to implant a chip with the info, or tatoo it with a bar code
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:19 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As demonstrated above, a protected right. I was going to post Wisconsin's VoterID law, but it was ruled unconstitutional but the Wisconsin Judiciary.

Instead, I have Indiana's.

  • Requires state-issued photo identification, current, or expiration to at most, the last general election.
  • Public-school IDs count only if they meet the criterion.
  • Private-school IDs do not count.
  • Provisional ballots can be cast by those without ID, but they have ten days (!) to show state-issued current photo ID or their ballot gets tossed out.

I can steal someone's identity with a B\C and Social Security card (and a Drivers License) for them with less information.



Requires licensure, not identification.

Wrong. In most states drivers are required to have their drivers license on them at all times when they are driving.

Does not require anything, actually. Resellers have internal policies to confirm purcharsers are of legal age to purchase alcohol.

It varies by state. But many states allow the defense where the person produces a state-issued ID. So there is a defacto requirement to have state ID.

B\Cs can be hand without state-issued and current photo-identification.

That's one state, and if you don't have an ID you need a combination of various other forms of proof of person and residence (probably the same ones you need to get an ID in that state)

Does not require state-issued and current photo-ID.
Again, if you don't have an ID you need various proofs of residency and citizenship. It's the same thing.
In all of those cases you can use an ID to fulfill the requirement.
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