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Second, you do not need a state ID to get a birth certificate. To get my birth certificate I called the town clerk where I was born, and she mailed me one. No ID.
It depends on the state and the municipality. I needed an ID to get a birth certificate.
It depends on the state and the municipality. I needed an ID to get a birth certificate.
Exactly.
So then a national law requiring state ID to vote in a federal election becomes meaningless in regard to voter fraud and is only about preventing some people, in some parts of the country from voting.
Unless there is FREE universally available IDs with the same criteria for all citizens, than the law is unjust.
So then a national law requiring state ID to vote in a federal election becomes meaningless in regard to voter fraud and is only about preventing some people, in some parts of the country from voting.
Unless there is FREE universally available IDs with the same criteria for all citizens, than the law is unjust.
Not if the federal law establishes certain minimum standards, and even if it doesn't the state laws for a photo ID require some minimum form of proof or residency and identity.
To do many necessary functions, such as driving and getting medical care, you have to have an ID in this country. I really want to know for what VALID reason a US citizen wouldn't have an ID.
I know someone is going to cite cost so I'll go ahead and supply that because I don't see where any of them are prohibitive.
Most last between 4 and 5 years.
The whole I.D. requirements is a big racket just like permits and licenses are. If they are going to REQUIRE it, it should be F R E E. Actually a voter registration card is still free to my knowledge. So what is the big fuss? All I had to do to get one was fill out a form and send in a copy of a utility bill proving I lived here.
What States allows controlled substance sales without ID? That's freakin scary all in itself. So you hang out by the pharmacy, catch a name and they would just give it to you by mention of name?
Common argument against requiring ID to vote, but I will show you where that argument fails.
It is not an affirmative protection of a right, hence no right actually exists.
Even the U.S. Supreme Court agreed in Alexander vs Mineta :
Read it again. Right to vote, right there in the wording. The rest is comentary. The Supreme Court has repeatedly stated "the right to vote," and it as a constitutionally protected right (all rights are).
But I'm not using that as an argument against voterID laws, I'm pointing out that it's a right of the citizen.
I've got other, better reasons why most states don't need voterID laws--there is no substantial record of in-person voter fraud!
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Originally Posted by MJJersey
In all of those cases you can use an ID to fulfill the requirement.
But only in voting are you required to have a state-issued current photo identification and nothing else will suffice. Surely you see the difference. I can't walk to the voting booth with my credit card and a utility bill or two.
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Originally Posted by lkb0714
If there is a cost to getting the documents necessary to get the ID, as well as the cost of the ID itself, then there is MONETARY COST to voting and is a poll tax without the name. That is unconstitutional as it basically violates the 24th.
I believe it was Georgia's first attempt at VoterID laws that was struck down by its supreme court for exactly this reason.
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer
Do we want people voting that aren't smart or motivated enough to obtain ID casting votes? That's scary.
If a qualification for voting required a base level of intelligence, the advocates of VoterID laws on this thread would surely fail.
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