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So you are going to include suicides, accidents and justifiable homicides.
Suicides - If someone wants to kill themselves they are going to do it. Japan has almost no guns yet they somehow manage to maintain one the highest rates of suicide in the world.
Accidents - Stairs are the number one killer in homes because stairs exist in homes... gee who would of thought. The same thing applies to guns, nobody is perfect and accidents will happen.
The vast majority of gun activity that occurs doesn't kill anyone. I may use a gun to hunt, target shoot, skeet shooting, rodent/predator control, personal defense(animal or human)or even as an investment. The only thing my guns have killed is clay birds, it's quite an enjoyable activity.
So you are going to include suicides, accidents and justifiable homicides.
Suicides - If someone wants to kill themselves they are going to do it. Japan has almost no guns yet they somehow manage to maintain one the highest rates of suicide in the world.
Accidents - Stairs are the number one killer in homes because stairs exist in homes... gee who would of thought. The same thing applies to guns, nobody is perfect and accidents will happen.
Justifiable Homicide - No explanation needed.
A gun is very efficient in suicide, in settling a domestic dispute or when a child shoots himself, a sibling or parent as we have all seen numerous stories of.
You can throw out swimming pools, stairs or Japanese all you want but the reality is in states where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths. If you want to call this NRA-loving mother who killed her two daughters on her husband's birthday justifiable homicide, that's your call. I feel confident in saying if there hadn't been a gun in the house, those girls would be alive. The husband went to the hospital, who knows if he will have the will to keep going.
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The vast majority of gun activity that occurs doesn't kill anyone. I may use a gun to hunt, target shoot, skeet shooting, rodent/predator control, personal defense(animal or human)or even as an investment. The only thing my guns have killed is clay birds, it's quite an enjoyable activity.
I believe the bolded are indeed killing activities. I don't know anyone that goes hunting to wound. But there's no need to argue about it. To you, all these gun deaths are worth it.
We don't need to argue about it. You've already explained your position clearly. To you, the murders, accidental deaths and suicides are worth it.
With nearly 300 million guns in the US, if each one killed a person every 10 years, we'd have 82,000 people killed by guns in the US every day. The vast majority of guns in the US will never kill anyone.
Out of curiosity, are you ok with all of the children who drown in backyard pools? Pools are just for entertainment mostly, and wouldn't it be better to just allow community pools with trained life guards? Is entertainment worth more to you than children?
They are worth it to me, even though it's quite sad.
There are a lot of costs for freedom.
My guess is that the civil war cost many more lives than slavery would have cost, and slavery would have eventually gone away. Was freedom worth all the deaths of the civil war? I'd argue yes.
The freedom to protect ourselves is worth the lives it will cost.
Originally Posted by jetgraphics Isn't it IRONIC that "Liberals" seek to abolish LIBERTY, in order to prevent crime?
But abolishing liberty IS a crime, injuring all the innocent people without ever truly preventing crime.
The GOP wants to pass a bill that would require no warrant to track our every movement.
"The Senate on Wednesday rejected a Republican-led effort to allow the FBI to access a person’s Internet browsing history, email account data and other electronic communications without a court order in terrorism and spy cases."
One's location is information that does not violate liberty for another to know.
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Your guns will cost you more LIBERTY in the long run to keep them. Any LIBERTY the 2nd amendment supposedly allows you to fight for, you gun nuts remain silent. Where was the gun wielding vigilante to stop the vote on this bill? What liberties do your ""well organized militias, with guns," get you when you sit back and allow all other constitutional rights to be chipped away at?
WHICH LIBERTY IS AT RISK?
According to American law, liberty has four types: natural, personal, civil and political.
● Natural = absolute freedom (on one's own property or unclaimed land)
● Personal = right of locomotion (freedom to travel on public roads and waterways)
● Civil = permission from government (licenses, permits)
● Political = participation in government (voting, holding office)
The former two are endowed rights, the latter two are government privileges.
LIBERTY. 1. Freedom from restraint. The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, except from the laws of nature.
2. Liberty is divided into civil, natural, personal, and political.
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Which of these liberties are injured by the knowledge of one's location?
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In case you didn't know - - -
In America, if you have endowed rights, you’re under the republican form of government. If instead of endowed rights, you have "constitutional rights" (privileges), and mandatory civic duties, you’re under the constitutionally limited indirect democracy that serves the people in the republican form of government - by your consent. If you have socialist obligations, you’ve volunteered into the socialist democratic form, via FICA - again, by your consent.
Ask your public servants if those particular laws apply to EVERYONE or only to those who CONSENT to be governed.
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