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Old 06-26-2016, 10:01 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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If she didn't have a gun she probably would have stabbed her daughters with a knife. that woman went plain old nut bag crazy.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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I am all for the 2nd amendment, but that campus carry bill just pisses me off so bad! Stupid legislature. While passing campus carry, they refused to pass a bill to make texting and driving illegal.

They claim a law won't change behavior, but I was old enough to remember never once wearing a seatbelt until it became a law when I was a teenager. Our generation's parents let us stand in our seats and lay in the back window area of the car. To be fair, when I was a baby most cars did not have seatbelts, but even after they became standard hardly anyone wore them until it became law.

Same thing with open containers. It was common to drive while drinking a beer until they passed the bill saying open containers of alcohol weren't allowed inside the vehicle. Now most people follow that law. There are always idiots that will still do it, but the vast majority is law abiding.

Laws do change behavior.
Of course they do and as soon as some unstable student shoots someone on campus, they will just say he suffered from bad mental health.
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Old 06-26-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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I am all for the 2nd amendment, but that campus carry bill just pisses me off so bad! Stupid legislature. While passing campus carry, they refused to pass a bill to make texting and driving illegal.

They claim a law won't change behavior, but I was old enough to remember never once wearing a seatbelt until it became a law when I was a teenager. Our generation's parents let us stand in our seats and lay in the back window area of the car. To be fair, when I was a baby most cars did not have seatbelts, but even after they became standard hardly anyone wore them until it became law.

Same thing with open containers. It was common to drive while drinking a beer until they passed the bill saying open containers of alcohol weren't allowed inside the vehicle. Now most people follow that law. There are always idiots that will still do it, but the vast majority is law abiding.

Laws do change behavior.
Should they pass a law making it illegal for a driver to talk to any passengers?

Road chat: Talking to passengers can be as dangerous as using a cell phone | University of Michigan News

We already have laws on the books for reckless driving.

Texas Transportation Code - TRANSP § 545.401 | FindLaw

If a cop sees you texting and not paying attention, he/she can pull you over and cite you.

We don't need additional laws when we already have them.

Should we have Tweeting and driving laws? How about Snapchat and driving laws?

Reckless driving laws give cops the discretion to cite you for any activity in which you are not driving safely.
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Old 06-26-2016, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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If she didn't have a gun she probably would have stabbed her daughters with a knife. that woman went plain old nut bag crazy.

Then nobody wouldda cared a whit.
(Exceptions being those who knew her.)
We might not have even heard about it.
#OnlyGunViolenceMatters
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Old 06-26-2016, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Of course they do and as soon as some unstable student shoots someone on campus, they will just say he suffered from bad mental health.
It's cute that you think that the "unstable student"
wouldn't have a gun if it were "not allowed."
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Old 06-27-2016, 05:26 AM
 
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Of course they do and as soon as some unstable student shoots someone on campus, they will just say he suffered from bad mental health.
What is the gun violence rate of students carrying vs those not legally carrying vs. the general population?


I understand your concern with guns but you have to understand where legal gun owners are coming from. Where I live a conservative estimate of gun ownership is going to be about 90% of households and many of them are going to have multiple guns, I can buy a gun almost as fast I can buy a loaf of bread, a concealed carry permit is easy to obtain, I can carry a concealed gun in my car with a permit, I can walk down the street with a gun with no permit and while I wouldn't call it common gun shots are not out of the ordinary especially around hunting season. This isn't some back woods community either, it's semi rural middle class area where the houses are separated by a few hundred feet.

Violent crime is practically non existent and other crimes are very low. Nobody is getting shot here and even accidents or self inflicted gun shots are rare. If we were to adjust for the lower population over the last four decades there should have been at least 4 or 5 murders in that time span if the national rate held true. Even in my County with population of 300K if you were to exclude two very small cities the gun crime rate is extremely low, the vast majority of that population is going to be living in dense housing and there is going to be a lot of gun owners.
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Old 06-27-2016, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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What amendment prevents the government from taking our bathtubs?

http://www.biography.com/people/andrea-yates-235801
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:32 AM
 
Location: North America
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Mental illness, undiagnosed, as usual.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:10 AM
 
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I am all for the 2nd amendment, but that campus carry bill just pisses me off so bad! Stupid legislature. While passing campus carry, they refused to pass a bill to make texting and driving illegal.

They claim a law won't change behavior, but I was old enough to remember never once wearing a seatbelt until it became a law when I was a teenager. Our generation's parents let us stand in our seats and lay in the back window area of the car. To be fair, when I was a baby most cars did not have seatbelts, but even after they became standard hardly anyone wore them until it became law.

Same thing with open containers. It was common to drive while drinking a beer until they passed the bill saying open containers of alcohol weren't allowed inside the vehicle. Now most people follow that law. There are always idiots that will still do it, but the vast majority is law abiding.

Laws do change behavior.
no laws themselves DO NOT change behavior, but the ENFORCEMENT of those laws change behavior. if the state says you have to wear our seat belt, but they dont write any tickets, then few will wear the belts. on the other hand if the state is handing out $400 tickets for not using your seat belt, you are going to start using it regularly.

the key here is enforcement of the laws.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:30 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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no laws themselves DO NOT change behavior, but the ENFORCEMENT of those laws change behavior. if the state says you have to wear our seat belt, but they dont write any tickets, then few will wear the belts. on the other hand if the state is handing out $400 tickets for not using your seat belt, you are going to start using it regularly.

the key here is enforcement of the laws.
If they won't enforce gun laws on the local level how would they do it at the Federal level. Assault weapons bans in NY, NJ and Conn have but a fraction of volunteers signing up and even the local LE say they won't enforce it.

Here in CA you can merely say a name for a ticket, you don't have to produce ID. They also won't tow your car anymore. No shows in court are common when you use a fake name and address.
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