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Old 09-22-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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I'm not the only one who feels that way. Yet another social more that seems to allude a segment of our country.
The only conversation I hear about Colin is distaste for his actions.
Maybe you need to look around a little more.

https://www.cbssports.com/general/ne...ouis-protests/
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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This is what i meant by saying that it was silly.

Nobody forces anyone to participate in the singing of the National Anthem. You don't even have to stand. It isn't "Forced Patriotism". Now if a KGB, or STASI like agent got in your face, and/or arrested you for not participating, then that would be forced patriotism. Maybe a few people here need to experience that, and see what Progressivism leads to.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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No i said that the national anthem was always played at certain games. Superbowl, World Series, locally etc, but it really took off nationally after 9-11, along with celebrating the military at the games too.

You said: "Singing of the anthem at sporting events has not always been done. it really started after 9-11. So its not really a tradition."

The history of the national anthem in sports - ESPN The Magazine

It began in 1918 at the world series and became a tradition since then. You should really read the articles that you link.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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It's being used to make political statements.

A team of 8 year olds took to their knees and turned their backs to the flag at a pee-wee game to support the St Louis protesters.

More than likely it was the coach that was protesting and those 8 year olds had no clue why they did what they did.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ors/684292001/
Thats actually a good thing imo, I dont think the founding fathers would be too happy to see so many people today just blindly obeying a tyrannical govt. Its one thing to be patriotic for ones country, but its another thing entirely when majority of the population has been duped into accepting tyranny to the degree the US people have.

So maybe taking a knee during the anthem is the appropriate thing to do, it shows you are still patriotic and proud of the principles the US was founded on, but not the current form of Govt we have right now.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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Nobody forces anyone to participate in the singing of the National Anthem. You don't even have to stand. It isn't "Forced Patriotism". Now if a KGB, or STASI like agent got in your face, and/or arrested you for not participating, then that would be forced patriotism. Maybe a few people here need to experience that, and see what Progressivism leads to.
Arguing that one should lose their job for not going along with the crowd really is forcing things.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Why? The National Anthem glorifies war. I don't care what people think of me; war is something to be avoided at all costs. No matter what our lying politicians say, America is the most warmongering country in the world. My parents raised me here; where I was born wasn't my decision. America is a great country, but war and killing people is not what makes it great. Anyone who follows that twisted logic needs to have their head examined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persec..._the_Holocaust

Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (the Nazi Party) in Germany, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazis and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, (such as those from the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, run by Jewish gay rights campaigner Magnus Hirschfeld) were burned, and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. The Gestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."

Homosexuals were considered to be the lowest of the low in the concentration camp hierarchy. Estimates vary widely as to the number of gay men imprisoned in concentration camps during the Holocaust, ranging from 5,000 to 15,000, many of whom died. In addition, records as to the specific reasons for internment are non-existent in many areas, making it hard to put an exact number on exactly how many gay men perished in death camps.

Gay men and lesbians suffered unusually cruel treatment in the concentration camps. They had their testicles boiled off by water.[14] Survivor Pierre Seel said "The Nazis stuck 25 centimeters of wood up my ass". They faced persecution not only from German soldiers, and many gay men were beaten to death.




If "war is something to be avoided at all costs" and American and allied soldiers during WWII had not died defeating the Nazis and defending our freedoms, Nazi Germany would have taken over the world. World domination by the Third Reich was the goal. There would be no homosexuals, as they would all be imprisoned or/and murdered by the Nazi government.
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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I used this link to show the spin.

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/nfl-month-activism-police/

It is NOT a month to "protest the police" it is exactly what they state.

The memo asks for the league to make the month of November as “activism awareness month” such as the league does with breast cancer.

No one supports Kap?
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:00 AM
 
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Maybe you need to look around a little more.

https://www.cbssports.com/general/ne...ouis-protests/
I'm sure if I dig around the internet I can find examples of those mimicking his actions to get their own 15 minutes of fame like these 8 year olds.

As far as doing anything positive for the issue of police brutality I think he missed the mark.
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:03 AM
 
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I'm sure if I dig around the internet I can find examples of those mimicking his actions to get their own 15 minutes of fame like these 8 year olds.

As far as doing anything positive for the issue of police brutality I think he missed the mark.
You are free to hold that opinion. But you agree there is an issue?
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Old 09-22-2017, 08:13 AM
 
Location: SW Virginia
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Anyone that thinks playing the National Anthem is fake patriotism or is too lazy or disinterested to stand should go live somewhere else.

The Anthem is part of America. Love it or leave it. I'm tired of the bed wetting liberals whining about everything and ruining what this country stands for.
This land was stolen from the true inhabitants called "Native Americans". America was built on the backs and blood of Africans. America is wicked and corrupt from the President on down and has been for centuries. What good is standing and saluting a flag if we show no love and loyalty to all citizens? What good is our so called patriotism when poor people and minorities are discriminated and oppressed with hurtful policies? Love for country starts with love for all people.
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