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Old 06-17-2018, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Originally Posted by Natnasci View Post
Some of those parts weren't made in the US and some of those profits go to the Japanese owners of Honda.


This is the universe we live in now. People thinking a Japanese owned company, assembling cars using parts sourced globally and locally, is now an American car.

So ya, kind of, but not really.
No more, or less, than a GM or a Ford built using parts sourced globally is.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Conventional post-1970 Republicans. With the populists faction in charge, they're all for tariffs. But the populist faction sure is big on libertarian-tinged traditional values and restrictive on foreign trade.

(read: Social issues: Freedom for the dominant kick-ass-and-take-names personalities to do what they please and treat others however they want, while the non-dominants have to sit there and take it from the dominant ones.

Economic Issues: Want restrictions on foreign trade so they can [from their perspective] keep their jobs).
What is perhaps more ironic? That those were exactly the principles that Democrats ran on in the 70s. Ironic how the Democratic party has abandoned American workers, while the Republican party has embraced them.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Here
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Ironic how the Democratic party has abandoned American workers,
They seemed to have abandoned just about everyone except illegals.
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Old 06-17-2018, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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It's not that easy. Some American car companies manufacture some cars outside the USA and some non-American car companies manufacture cars on US soil.

In addition, cars that are manufactured within the USA will likely get price increases too. This is to keep up with market conditions. Maybe they'll increase by 15% so they stay below the others. Such price increases already occurred in the steel industry. In those cases, steel prices increased for steel made in the USA, even though there weren't any tariffs on that steel. They increased prices because the overall market price went up due to the tariffs causing price increases on the steel made outside the USA.

It's expected that across the board price increases will occur in other areas as well, even for products made on US soil. In the end, consumers will be paying a lot more for a lot of stuff regardless if it was made in the US or not.
You've touched upon a major issue - motor vehicles may have final assembly in a certain country, but their parts can come from all over the world.

The vast majority of Toyota's models sold in the USA are assembled in the US, Canada, or Mexico. I believe it's just a few niche or high price premium models that are imported entirely from Japan, such as the Land Cruiser, and the Lexuses (except for the ES model, which is now built in Kentucky). My Camry is "imported" from Kentucky, and has 75% local content, which is among the highest percentages for any vehicle sold in the USA. The subcompact Yaris? Built in France.

My wife's Civic is built in Indiana. Her previous Civic (we traded in) was assembled in Allston, Ontario, Canada.

Conversely, cars from GM, Ford and Chrysler (owned by Fiat now) can source key parts from Japan, Germany, France, China, Brazil, anywhere. So if there are tariffs slapped on those parts, presumably this will affect the cost of even locally-assembled cars.
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Old 06-17-2018, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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The weird thing is that most Republicans are pro free trade. So this is a complex thing to navigate succesfully.
Make that establishment Republicans. How is that free trade if Japan has a 1000% tariff on rice? Do you care?
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Old 06-17-2018, 04:25 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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What is perhaps more ironic? That those were exactly the principles that Democrats ran on in the 70s. Ironic how the Democratic party has abandoned American workers, while the Republican party has embraced them.

Except the 1970s Democrats didn't encourage open, blatant personalized demeaning of conservative whites, at least not to the extent that Trump does toward those who he opposes. Put another way, 1970s democrats didn't have demagogues in their ranks. I can't imagine Jimmy Carter or Hubert Humphrey being 5% as hateful as Trump is. In fact, the former two encouraged reconciliation for all. Not to mention Carter especially didn't support gross violators of human rights abroad (Brezhnev or Castro, or even that day's equivalent of Rodrigo Duterte of The Philippines, of which there were many back then)
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Old 06-17-2018, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yes, I do. I was being facetious with my comment.
Ah, I didn't see that.
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Old 06-17-2018, 08:08 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Buy American. Problem solved.
We may be crazy but we're not suicidal.
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Except the 1970s Democrats didn't encourage open, blatant personalized demeaning of conservative whites...
No, they waited until about 1990 to start that.
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Old 06-18-2018, 03:51 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I think China came up with the best response - "wise men build bridges but fools build walls".

Although it was later pinted ut to the Chinese that they had one of the biggest walls in the world.

Trade tariffs: Chinese media in Trump 'fools build walls' jibe - BBC News
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