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My mother came from England (Swiss citizen) via ship in 1955 to work as a nanny. She met my father in 1956. Perhaps the family sponsoring her paid for her entrance into the US. In 1967 when I was 10 years she became a citizen after 6 weeks of evening classes. Don't know if it cost much but I doubt it. She didn't want to go through the hassle of immigration every time she visited her family in Europe so became a US citizen. I remember going to court the day she was sworn in.
Somewhat along these lines, I noticed several assertions on this thread that "men can't take care of themselves as well as women can" and not one man disputed it.
Frankly, I don't believe men are any more helpless than women at doing anything, unless they choose to be. Look at how male and female military members are expected to take care of themselves, keep their quarters neat, etc. The men don't get to whine that "a woman would do it so much better."
I suspect many men enjoy fooling women into thinking men need help being fed, clothed, and organized, so the women will continue to do for them.
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The trouble is, the feminists thought they could and would undo our patriarchal society pretty much overnight.
They dented it is all.
But - that dent has caused some rust, which in turn will eat away at the Patriarchy generation by generation.
I know Downunder the amount of females studying traditionally male subjects has boomed. Female engineers doctors chemists dentists you name it they exist. Theres a drive aimed specificially at boosting female students confidence and opportunities.
People now pause and ask if your Doctor or Dentist is a female. "He" is no longer assumed like it was, even 10 years ago.
In 100 years, hopefully, the entire Feminist subject will be History. True equality will be across the board.
I can dream OK....? And at least I can go to work without having to look at a girlie calendar every day.
Somewhat along these lines, I noticed several assertions on this thread that "men can't take care of themselves as well as women can" and not one man disputed it.
Frankly, I don't believe men are any more helpless than women at doing anything, unless they choose to be. Look at how male and female military members are expected to take care of themselves, keep their quarters neat, etc. The men don't get to whine that "a woman would do it so much better."
I suspect many men enjoy fooling women into thinking men need help being fed, clothed, and organized, so the women will continue to do for them.
It's not a matter of men not being able to take care of themselves or fooling woman. All of a sudden they act helpless and we know better. Woman are peacekeepers, it's a matter of having to fight to get him to do it. Other times you have to give instructions on the simplest things (replace the garbage bag). If you do say anything you're nagging. Men can also ignore the dirt better, some don't mind living in filth.
Somewhat along these lines, I noticed several assertions on this thread that "men can't take care of themselves as well as women can" and not one man disputed it.
Frankly, I don't believe men are any more helpless than women at doing anything, unless they choose to be. Look at how male and female military members are expected to take care of themselves, keep their quarters neat, etc. The men don't get to whine that "a woman would do it so much better."
I suspect many men enjoy fooling women into thinking men need help being fed, clothed, and organized, so the women will continue to do for them.
I agree. Also there's been blame laid on the men's mothers, and that's poppycock. Many a man AND woman with a loving, doting mother who did everything for them and didn't expect them to lift a finger have gone on to competently cook and clean for themselves. Many with moms who spent years "training" them to do household chores are now quite content to let their spouses do it all.
~sigh~ I thought we were beyond blaming moms for their adult sons' and daughters' misbehaviors. Guess not.
I agree. Also there's been blame laid on the men's mothers, and that's poppycock. Many a man AND woman with a loving, doting mother who did everything for them and didn't expect them to lift a finger have gone on to competently cook and clean for themselves. Many with moms who spent years "training" them to do household chores are now quite content to let their spouses do it all.
~sigh~ I thought we were beyond blaming moms for their adult sons' and daughters' misbehaviors. Guess not.
Are you one of those mothers? Setting DIL up for slavery?
I remember my MIL complaints about my SIL. When SIL worked full time, my MIL complained (gossip) that she can't keep house. When she wasn't working MIL complained her son had to provide all income for the family. SIL couldn't win lol. Of course FIL sitting in that lazy boy as mom did everything didn't help.
Just as "We" (maybe not you and me, though) also tend to blame the female in a male-female couple, if their house is a mess. (I don't know who gets blamed in a gay couple!)
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~sigh~ I thought we were beyond blaming moms for their adult sons' and daughters' misbehaviors. Guess not.
I agree. Also there's been blame laid on the men's mothers, and that's poppycock. Many a man AND woman with a loving, doting mother who did everything for them and didn't expect them to lift a finger have gone on to competently cook and clean for themselves. Many with moms who spent years "training" them to do household chores are now quite content to let their spouses do it all.
~sigh~ I thought we were beyond blaming moms for their adult sons' and daughters' misbehaviors. Guess not.
You are right. It doesn't seem to matter what the fathers have been doing while the kids were growing up, but when the kids gets into trouble (prison)...... Mom's fault. Something we did or didn't do, take your pick. My son went to prison and I was encouraged to get counseling because I was a total mess. The counselor told me many times...... you were not the only parent...... he had a father, too.
When I worked there were a few male coworkers that had arranged for "overseas" relationships. None of them worked out. Turns out they wanted their green card or money. Surprise! (Not) It's my observation that if one can't make a go of it with women around them, then it's unlikely to be a successful venture with an overseas purchased companion or casting a wide net in the home country.
I'm in my mid/late 50s and though I'm fatter than I should be, I generally keep up appearances,have a decent head of hair, dress well and I'm active, focused, financially well set and live younger than many my age. I have no doubt that should I want a mate I would find one. The question would be whether I'd want another mate. The fact that one 70 something man thinks (Bwahaahaha!) that women in their 30s-40s will generally be interested in his company unless his wallet is fully loaded and opened a lot is not a threat to well rounded interesting women of a certain age.
Frankly both sexes have to be on their A game after physical looks start to fade. Having the goods inside once those external goods are gone is an imperative and it makes a good match more likely to stick once the real person is seen and understood. Having dated a few really physically beautiful men in my time, if they aren't beautiful inside they lose their luster fast. I worked with a woman that was physically gorgeous but OMG! she was such a PITA, completely high maintenance. She had a really hard time with relationships because of who she was inside. She had no trouble getting interest, keeping it was the issue. This is true at any age.
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