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Ok, you stick with the steak, and I will stick with the Bread from heaven.
Don't forget to have milk with that bread:
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Exactly Rodger "wherever your treasure is, there lies your heart".
And to show that i am fully persuaded of the truth of UR and completely biased to it(because i believe it by faith), i left your link on your post i'm quoting
Agape, here is a quote from that article. Question: Is the fate of the wicked eternal consciousness in torment, or do they ultimately perish? Answer: The unrepentant wicked, who reject the forgiveness and lordship of YahuShua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ), and are cast into the Lake of Fire, will be utterly destroyed and no longer exist.
Agape,
You might like to be aware of why some of us think that the Bible teaches universal salvation rather than annihilation. ETERNAL DEATH ANNIHILATION ONE STEP OUT OF HELL ONE STEP SHORT OF GLORY http://www.tentmaker.org/books/EternalDeath.html
to show that i am fully persuaded of the truth of UR and completely biased to it (because i believe it by faith), i left your link on your post i'm quoting
It's interesting how so many have testified that the contents of that link has been a great blessing to them since they too have been able to "believe it by faith," and yet there are a few (especially ETers, annihilationists, and FPCCers) who have no desire to even investigate its contents.
How bleesed we are to be among those who can rejoice in the perception that, because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross, sooner or later, God will save everyone who needs saving from everyhting from which they need to be saved, including their stubborn will.
This is a subject that I have certainly gained a new perspective of since reading a book 'Finding the Father' by a guy named Herb Montgomery and listening to a series he did called Life Unlimited (his website is renewedheartministries.com).
I will try to summarize a portion of what I learned, and how my perspective has slightly changed. I used to think of the final destruction of the wicked, as an overt act carried out by God, but now I don't necessarily see that as being the case. Anyone who has ever felt guilt knows that it can be quite a heavy burden to bear and can be emotionally and even physically draining. In fact I know that there have been people so racked with guilt that it has caused physical suffering to a great degree and once even caused a man's death. Christ experienced the guilt of humanity's sin and it crushed the life right out of Him on the cross. At the cross every single human being to ever live was forgiven of all their sin. the funny thing about forgiveness though is that if you don't believe you are forgiven, then you will still feel guilty for your sin. Have you ever had that happen? Where you wronged somebody, and they said they forgave you, but you still felt guilty, until eventually through the persons repeated gestures of kindness you realized you were truly forgiven and the weight of that guilt was lifted. What if you never believed in the forgiveness? Then that guilt would always be there. Maybe not always on the surface, but when a situation arose, that reminded you of what you had done, that guilt would come back to the surface and bother you. You see the reason that god calls us to repentance, isn't so that he can change His attitude towards us from one of condemnation to one of acceptance. He calls us to repentance so that He can effect a change in us that frees us from the burden of guilt and condemnation. the guilt and condemnation we felt wasn't from God but was an effect of sin. God loves us and already forgave us at Calvary, but until we repent we carry that guilt around ourselves. Christ does not say love me or I'll kill you. He came to let us know that sin will kill us, but He can save us all from that fate if we let Him.
there have long been discussions here and elsewhere about those that go to Heaven vs those that go to Hell, and it wasn't until recently that I was shown that Heaven and Hell are not 2 separate places. Heaven is anywhere in the full presence of God. Hell is anywhere in the full presence of God. You see God never changes. He has always loved us, and at Calvary He forgave all of us. If we believe in and accept God's forgiveness, it enables God to work on our hearts and change us so that we are freed of our guilt. With that guilt removed, we are able to stand in the presence of God and bask in all His glory. However, if a person has chosen to reject Calvary's gift and hold onto their guilt, then when they find themselves in the presence of God, His glory will make them acutely aware of all that guilt and it will be more than they can bear. The weight of that guilt will literally crush the life out of them, and there will be nothing left but a corpse. Fire will simply be the means with which God disposes of all the corpses, and cleanses the earth so that it can be made new.
People seem to think that there is nothing that God cannot do, but they are very wrong. The Bible makes it clear that, at the very least, God cannot lie. God also cannot do that which cannot be done, such as making a square triangle. Love cannot be forced without ceasing to be love. Same goes with acceptance. God's forgiveness is freely offered to all who will accept it, but sadly God cannot force anyone to accept it. Annihilation is not God's choice, it is the choice of those who refuse God's choice.
Then let me ask this, Why is there any mention in scripture about "the lost"? Why did Christ ever issue any warning about being lost? We know that Judas did not believe he was forgiven, guilt drove him to hang himself. If everyone is going to be saved regardless, then why are we still here? Why don't we just nuke the whole planet so we can get to the cleansing already? I know the whole "God's love will save everybody" sounds all nice and rosie but it isn't the reality of the situation. God knows that, and that is why he is working so hard that none should be lost, even though He knows that many will be.
Then let me ask this, Why is there any mention in scripture about "the lost"? Why did Christ ever issue any warning about being lost? We know that Judas did not believe he was forgiven, guilt drove him to hang himself. If everyone is going to be saved regardless, then why are we still here? Why don't we just nuke the whole planet so we can get to the cleansing already? I know the whole "God's love will save everybody" sounds all nice and rosie but it isn't the reality of the situation. God knows that, and that is why he is working so hard that none should be lost, even though He knows that many will be.
First the first fruits of election, the remnant chosen by grace out of each generation will be saved. Then, all of the non-elect will be saved later.
Here are two biblical expositions that expound that belief.
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The genuine bread from heaven
Annihilation versus universal salvation
