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Yes, we have access by faith into the grace wherein we stand. The access by faith is not the cause of the grace wherein we stand. That's obvious from simply reading the text.
Another assertion without support.
More assertions without support.
Yes, there is a difference.
Another assertion without support.
LOL, show him in scripture where's he's wrong, Guru!
LOL, show him in scripture where's he's wrong, Guru!
That's the least you could do! Or can you, LOL!
If you don't mind my asking Charlie24, how did you come to believe in the Arminian doctrines you hold to so strongly? Were you taught this in a particular church denomination? My guess is a free will baptist church by chance?
Or were you reading particular commentaries? And if so, which ones? My guess here would be Adam Clarke.
If you don't mind my asking Charlie24, how did you come to believe in the Arminian doctrines you hold to so strongly? Were you taught this in a particular church denomination? My guess is a free will baptist church by chance?
Or were you reading particular commentaries? And if so, which ones? My guess here would be Adam Clarke.
Am I close?
Never heard of Adam Clarke. So I can't comment on that.
I was raised up in a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church. They were very strict in what a Christian should be, much more so then than now, and based everything on the scripture. Of course I was trained in that manner, to learn the scripture, honor God, and help my neighbor. But above all to do what you know is right according to scripture at all times.
The Independent Baptist Church I attend here would have been called into question by the one I was raised up in. But it's the best I can find at this present time, and seriously doubt I will ever see again the reverence given to God and His Word that I witnessed as a child and young man!
God doesn't change, the same God that said, let there be light, is the same God that's looking down on us now. But us, we have changed! We are continuously changing and the gap between us and God is growing.
In the short time of my life so far I have seen the respect of God and His Word just disappear at an alarming rate. Folks like me who teach what we have learned are old fashioned, it's not accepted anymore when it was at one time the standard all around, at least in my hometown in NC.
I suppose I have no choice but to live it out, but I will not depart from what I was taught as a child, it has served me very well, taking Him at His Word in faith, and doing what I know is right according to His Word!
Never heard of Adam Clarke. So I can't comment on that.
I was raised up in a Fundamental Independent Baptist Church. They were very strict in what a Christian should be, much more so then than now, and based everything on the scripture. Of course I was trained in that manner, to learn the scripture, honor God, and help my neighbor. But above all to do what you know is right according to scripture at all times.
The Independent Baptist Church I attend here would have been called into question by the one I was raised up in. But it's the best I can find at this present time, and seriously doubt I will ever see again the reverence given to God and His Word that I witnessed as a child and young man!
God doesn't change, the same God that said, let there be light, is the same God that's looking down on us now. But us, we have changed! We are continuously changing and the gap between us and God is growing.
In the short time of my life so far I have seen the respect of God and His Word just disappear at an alarming rate. Folks like me who teach what we have learned are old fashioned, it's not accepted anymore when it was at one time the standard all around, at least in my hometown in NC.
I suppose I have no choice but to live it out, but I will not depart from what I was taught as a child, it has served me very well, taking Him at His Word in faith, and doing what I know is right according to His Word!
Thanks for sharing that. God has given you much grace (Psa 84:11).
It helps myself, as well as other readers, to know where you're coming from.
He is merely here to preach at people, and has absolutely no discernment.
Another lie from the pit.
I was once told by a pastor that I have the spiritual gift of discernment.
But of course satan would try to contest that.
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Originally Posted by jjGuru
And, the grace given Paul proceeded his faith.
An assertion with no scriptural support.
Yes, we have access by faith into the grace wherein we stand. The access by faith is not the cause of the grace wherein we stand. That's obvious from simply reading the text.
Another assertion without support.
More assertions without support.
Yes, there is a difference.
Another assertion without support.
All of these assertions that you say have no support, also have no scripture that directly denies them as statements;
And I would say that many of your beliefs are also assertions that do not have support in holy scripture.
But I think that the support that I would give for my assertions is the fact (since you have admitted to being a five-point Calvinist) that in John 1:12, the scripture would have to read thus for the doctrines of Calvinism to be true.
Jhn 1:12, But as many as became the sons of God, to them gave he power to receive him, even to them that believe on his name:
Whereas what the scripture actually says is much different:
Jhn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
The order in salvation is important in this passage.
One must first receive Jesus as Lord and Saviour; and then one receives the power to become a son of God.
One does not become a son of God and then receive the power to receive Him; as Calvinism would try to teach you; it is the other way around.
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