Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
While the spirit of the law is in fact written on my heart (Hebrews 8:8-10, Romans 7:6), I find that if I were to attempt to obtain my righteousness through the keeping of the law, I would be under the curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
That is why.
Who said anything about salvation or keeping the law to obtain righteousness?
You Christians and your hate for Gods commandments.
You didnt answer the question, Jesus, Paul, and all the disciples were in Judaism, and they didnt keep the law for salvation.
You think the only way to be in Judaism is to keep laws for salvation?
Who said anything about salvation or keeping the law to obtain righteousness?
You Christians and your hate for Gods commandments.
You didnt answer the question, Jesus, Paul, and all the disciples were in Judaism, and they didnt keep the law for salvation.
You think the only way to be in Judaism is to keep laws for salvation?
You are ridiculous.
Salvation is from Original Sin, for Sin entered into humanity in the Garden of Eden.
Because of this sin, (by Eve, by the way,) some curses were put on humankind.
Genesis 3:13-21
Quote:
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Christianity fulfills Judaism, it is not as you say.
I pray God will send His Holy Spirit of agape love to soften your heart and attune your Spirit to His. I pray you can eventually become the advocate of His love that you seem to think you are.
It is in accordance with the Spirit of God's agape love that the Lord would Himself come down to earth in order to take upon Himself the penalty of the sins of humankind.
It is also in accordance with the Spirit of God's agape love, that God would have wrath and justice concerning the sins of mankind.
Job 34:12, Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.
Job 34:13, Who hath given him a charge over the earth? or who hath disposed the whole world?
Job 34:14, If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;
Job 34:15, All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
Job 34:16, If now thou hast understanding, hear this: hearken to the voice of my words.
Job 34:17, Shall even he that hateth right govern? and wilt thou condemn him that is most just?
Job 34:18, Is it fit to say to a king, Thou art wicked? and to princes, Ye are ungodly?
It is in accordance with the Spirit of God's agape love that the Lord would Himself come down to earth in order to take upon Himself the penalty of the sins of humankind.
It is also in accordance with the Spirit of God's agape love, that God would have wrath and justice concerning the sins of mankind.
There is no such thing as the "penalty for the sins of humankind." That is an ignorant, primitive, and very immature misinterpretation of our very first lesson in discriminating between Good and Evil behavior. There is no penalty owing for that nor for any of the other mistakes (missing the mark = sins) we made and continue to make in our entirely understandable human gnorance of what God actually wants from us.
He forgave our brutal and savage ancestors' horrendous scourging and crucifixion BECAUSE of their ignorance (they knew not what they did). Do you actually think He would not forgive our ignorance for ANYTHING???? Our loving Father wants us to avoid any and all negative spiritual consequences based on what we are spiritually BECOMING.
God is NOT imposing punishments in accord with our imperfect human concept of justice for any negative spiritual consequences WE may have earned. His perfect justice balances the scales for all involved, perpetrators and victims alike, something our human punitive justice can never do. God certainly has no need to use our imperfect punitive concept of justice and certainly NOT eternally!!!! That is beyond preposterous!!!
Salvation is from Original Sin, for Sin entered into humanity in the Garden of Eden.
Because of this sin, (by Eve, by the way,) some curses were put on humankind.
Genesis 3:13-21
Christianity fulfills Judaism, it is not as you say.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticPhD
No, Hanni, YOU have continued the worship of Moloch. ignoring and rejecting the agape love of the God of Jesus Christ.
No, I come.in here everyday and speak to people who reject Jesus by rejecting all his sacrifices and everything he said.
Jesus said that we better keep the law better than the Pharisees.
Jesus said not to even consider that he came to do away with the law, and those who wont keep the law and who teach against the keeping of the law will be the least in the kingdom of heaven.
You people just dont believe Jesus, you try and show Jesus to be a lawless false prophet who deserved what he got.
The whole.point was to add Gentiles to Israel, to be one people.
Jesus also showed us where you lawless pagans end up from your own choosing.
You are standing separated in the outer court of darkness pretending you arent lawless pagans, and its your lawlessness and paganism that has replaced the Jew.
As if God loves his biggest enemies the most, as if speaking against the law and the prophets brings righteousness and it's not like this was not foretold to happen, and here we are in lawlessness, the lawless one, you are so proud to be he.
Jesus said that we better keep the law better than the Pharisees.
Jesus said that if our righteousness doesn't exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, we will in no wise enter the kingdom.
There is a righteousness that is through the law; and there is a righteousness that is of God through faith (Philippians 3:9).
The righteousness of the law cleans the outside of the cup and platter;
The righteousness which is of God by faith cleans the inside.
Consider the following scripture.
Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
There is; and Jesus paid that penalty on the Cross for those who will believe in Him.
What on earth was the penalty for and to whom was it owed and for what???? You really need to grow up and abandon these childish fables.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
