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Old 08-08-2021, 01:11 AM
 
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There is a difference between the people who wrote the OT and those who wrote the NT. Those who wrote the OT only saw Gods hind part, Jesus gave us a full frontal. lol
That may or may not be true; however, we do know that both the OT and the NT are inspired of the Lord (2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:20-21).
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Old 08-08-2021, 06:47 AM
 
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That may or may not be true; however, we do know that both the OT and the NT are inspired of the Lord (2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:20-21).
yes inspired but not dictated. And we know Moses changed Gods command concerning divorcement. Mt.19:8

So what do you do with that? believe Moses over Jesus? No

But if you understand inspiration for what it is and what Paul said the inspiration was for then that which seems contrary is not contrary.

So then Paul says that one of the reason for the inspiration of scripture was for correction. Now apply that to Mt.19:8. Moses was inspired to allow the man to put away his wife because of the hardness of men's hearts.However Jesus CORRECTED not only those who asked the question but also Moses.

Now if Moses never did what He did how was Jesus to correct the erroneous view of Moses? Just because something is inspired does not mean that it is CORRECT. Just read the long poem of Job, is everything written in that poem CORRECT? obviously not as God had to CORRECT Job of what he believed. And if everything in the inspired book of Job is not correct then why believe everything else written in the OT is correct? Unless what is written matches up with what Jesus said a did then you simply are not understanding the inspiration of scripture and therefore cannot be corrected.
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Old 08-08-2021, 08:56 AM
 
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Jesus did not change what Moses wrote about divorce. The hardness of men's hearts is something that does exist.

Jesus was saying that if your heart is soft, you will not choose personally to divorce your wife; not that the commandment of Moses was made null and void.

Otherwise divorce laws would be different today as they stand in government.
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Old 08-08-2021, 09:23 AM
 
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Jesus did not change what Moses wrote about divorce. The hardness of men's hearts is something that does exist.

Jesus was saying that if your heart is soft, you will not choose personally to divorce your wife; not that the commandment of Moses was made null and void.

Otherwise divorce laws would be different today as they stand in government.
nonsense, here read it.

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?



He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Jesus is obviously correcting what Moses said to do, as from the beginning according to Jesus it was not so.


Now if it was not so from the beginning then Moses obviously ADDED to the scripture.
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Old 08-08-2021, 09:31 AM
 
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nonsense, here read it.

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?



He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Jesus is obviously correcting what Moses said to do, as from the beginning according to Jesus it was not so.


Now if it was not so from the beginning then Moses obviously ADDED to the scripture.
Moses permitted divorce because of one factor...the hardness of men's hearts.

But from the beginning God intended marriage to be faithful. That is what Jesus is saying.

Moses gave the law...and the law has to do with government.

As concerning governmental practice, Moses gave people the right to divorce their wives.

However, Jesus taught us that if your heart is soft, you will not take that as a mandate to eventually divorce your wife. Jesus taught that it is God's intention from the beginning for you to be faithful to your wife.
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Old 08-08-2021, 09:51 AM
 
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Moses permitted divorce because of one factor...the hardness of men's hearts.

But from the beginning God intended marriage to be faithful. That is what Jesus is saying.

Moses gave the law...and the law has to do with government.

As concerning governmental practice, Moses gave people the right to divorce their wives.

However, Jesus taught us that if your heart is soft, you will not take that as a mandate to eventually divorce your wife. Jesus taught that it is God's intention from the beginning for you to be faithful to your wife.
but you seem to miss the point, from the beginning it was not so. Thus if it was NOT SO from the beginning Moses ADDED to it because of the hardness of men's hearts.

Moses probably believed he had good reason (the hardness of men's hearts) but Jesus said from the beginning it was NOT SO.

What you don't like is the fact Moses changed what God had originally said, what God has joined together let NO MAN put asunder and Jesus was bringing it back to Gods original intent.
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Old 08-08-2021, 09:17 PM
 
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but you seem to miss the point, from the beginning it was not so. Thus if it was NOT SO from the beginning Moses ADDED to it because of the hardness of men's hearts.

Moses probably believed he had good reason (the hardness of men's hearts) but Jesus said from the beginning it was NOT SO.

What you don't like is the fact Moses changed what God had originally said, what God has joined together let NO MAN put asunder and Jesus was bringing it back to Gods original intent.
Moses had the authority of God behind him when he made it a law of the government that men could establish a writing of divorcement. This was actually the grace of God for people whose hearts were hardened.

But Jesus taught us that, if your heart is soft towards the Lord, you will not divorce your wife as a matter of personal practice. And this was so from the beginning; as Adam and Eve were meant to be married to each other their whole lives.

And where did God originally say, "What God hath joined together let no man put asunder?" In Genesis? Where in Genesis does God say that?

Jesus taught us that what God has joined together let no man put asunder; that this is not the rule of law; which provides for a man to divorce his wife; but that it is the standard of conduct required by God for those who have a softened heart towards Him.
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Old 08-09-2021, 06:06 AM
 
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Moses had the authority of God behind him when he made it a law of the government that men could establish a writing of divorcement. This was actually the grace of God for people whose hearts were hardened.

But Jesus taught us that, if your heart is soft towards the Lord, you will not divorce your wife as a matter of personal practice. And this was so from the beginning; as Adam and Eve were meant to be married to each other their whole lives.

And where did God originally say, "What God hath joined together let no man put asunder?" In Genesis? Where in Genesis does God say that?

Jesus taught us that what God has joined together let no man put asunder; that this is not the rule of law; which provides for a man to divorce his wife; but that it is the standard of conduct required by God for those who have a softened heart towards Him.
Moses did not have the authority to change Gods law, where the heck do you get that idea?
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Old 08-09-2021, 05:18 PM
 
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Moses did not have the authority to change Gods law, where the heck do you get that idea?
Good question? It must be something he was taught, or made up within that of his own mind?
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Old 08-10-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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My experience has been that many people who tell me that the Bible is the "Word of God" have never sat down and read it cover to cover.....and fewer even have a knowledge of how it was formed .....a "book by committee" of a group that then promoted it and used force to subvert any ideas against it.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VxE7OOl6Qo
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