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"If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them."
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Originally Posted by Brightfame52
Unconditional reprobation is a hard truth to accept isnt it.
I believe you are ill-educated with your corrupted thinking.
Someone may have already mentioned this, but the more plausible (and certainly more intellectually and emotionally satisfying) explanation is that this is talking about "corporate election," not individual election. God decided before the foundation of the world that all of those who turned to Christ (i.e., the corporate body of Christ) would be saved. Much as I might like to think otherwise, God didn't predestine before the foundation of the world that dear Irkle would be saved and his irksome antagonists on these forums would have no chance. God in his foreknowledge may have known that Irkle would turn to Christ, but that's a complex issue that's outside the scope of this thread. Full 5-point Calvinists do, of course, believe in the sort of individual election you're talking about, but they are an increasingly rare breed.
It is definitely about the corporate, and regional which have very specific timing and seasons associated with them, and also responsibilities and duties
If Election/Salvation was in ay degree conditioned or contingent on what a person does, even thinks, then they could not be by Grace. Election is of Grace minus works Rom 9:11;11:5-6 and Salvation is the same Eph 2:8-9; 2 Tim 1:9
..We are all "saved as by fire" by what Jesus accomplished, period. Unfortunately, that means that any negative consequences of our failures to mature spiritually will be subject to God's refining fire to remove any dross that has not been repented.
Will people like Hitler, Saddam and Bin Laden be in heaven?
No, I believe in corrective and restorative consequences whose content and endurance are equivalent to what was sowed!
This is where the concept of purgatory comes from
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