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"SMK" Comment: (eonioan) a actual beginning and an actual ending and also eternal life. John 3:16.
Their is not waste with God as their is with the works of man,
God's work is God's work and man has no say whatesever in His Salvation "ALL" is of God"
We live and move and have our being in God And I do love him for His grace "unmeried favor" to mankind.
Salvation is a free gift, and requires not one thing! God is the first cause and therfore the cause of all that has followed God is the great mover and shaker of the Universe....
It is time to awake from our drowsing demwited sleep
God the Great Holy Spirit that pervades all space and time is reconciling the entire Universe to Himself..
PS: We cannot go where God is not, wherever you are He is already there.
Sir, Sumner Morrill Koch KT.
John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey (the command to believe) the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides (remains) on him.
Matthew 25:41 ''Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 46) And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.''
Revelation 20:10 'And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:15 'And if anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.'
The solution and the requirement for unbelieving humanity is this.
John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Eternal salvation is conditional upon receiving the offer of salvation through faith in Christ. That is the requirement as the Word of God states over and over.
Acts 16:31 'BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.'
Mike, and in light of all those verses which you quote which are true and to be believed, it is also true that God will save all mankind for Christ ransomed all (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11).
It is time to believe both sets of Scriptures, Mike.
John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides (remains) on him.
Matthew 25:41 ''Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 46) And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.''
Revelation 20:10 'And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:15 'And if anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.'
The solution and the requirement for unbelieving humanity is this.
John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Eternal salvation is conditional upon receiving the offer of salvation through faith in Christ. That is the requirement as the Word of God states over and over.
Acts 16:31 'BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.'
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar.
The other thing I heard from someone is that if a non-believer didn't want to go to heaven and was forced by God to be saved.. wouldn't that be hell for them? LOL I found that amusing and telling at the same time.
Could God's wrath be the continual call to life in Christ.. wouldn't that be hell for a non-believer? To be continually hounded to accept the gospel?
The fact is that Man has no control over what God does.. therefore we must assume that what God wants.. God gets.
Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, And I will not remember your sins.
1 Tim 2:4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Ezekiel 18:32 "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord GOD. "Therefore, repent and live."
John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
There are so very many verses that show God will have ALL men to be saved.. so what is stopping him? A human? Non-belief?
NOPE - It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. (Romans 9:16)
There is nothing anyone can say to refute that it is God who is in control.. not man (without belittling the power of God...) And if God is not powerful enough to overcome man's desire.. then what kind of a God is he?
Mike, and in light of all those verses which you quote which are true and to be believed, it is also true that God will save all mankind for Christ ransomed all (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11).
It is time to believe both sets of Scriptures, Mike.
The word of God says otherwise. The majority of the human race will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
Originally Posted by Eusebius Mike, and in light of all those verses which you quote which are true and to be believed, it is also true that God will save all mankind for Christ ransomed all (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11).
It is time to believe both sets of Scriptures, Mike.
I do agree that Jesus is the saviour of all mankind but this does not mean salvation for all. All men believers or not benefit from the cross but only believers receive the full maniefestation of the finished work of Christ on the cross.
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Mike, and in light of all those verses which you quote which are true and to be believed, it is also true that God will save all mankind for Christ ransomed all (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11).
It is time to believe both sets of Scriptures, Mike.
I do agree that Jesus is the saviour of all mankind but this does not mean salvation for all. All men believers or not benefit from the cross but only believers receive the full maniefestation of the finished work of Christ on the cross.
You are on the right path...And the ones that believe are those chosen by God...from eternity...
Here is a list of many of the verses we Christian universalsits "got" ...
Those verses found in 1 Tim. are merely the very tip of the iceberg ...
God bless ...
You Rule this thread, Ironmaw!!!
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