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So you chose to believe in Him and am saved but your neighbor not so. Hmm...
Jesus said "You didn't choose me, I chose you..."
God is not a respector of persons
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him and I will raise him up on the last day.."
Why would God then choose to save a few but let the rest be damned?
Lastly, how does one find joy in heaven knowing the vast, vast majority are suffering for all of eternity? Brush it off? God will give you amnesia and you won't remember your lost loved ones? They deserve it? Help me out here.
Considering our minds are muddled in the flesh...i would say that we will receive better minds, more righteous minds and understanding at that point and our minds will be one in purpose with Gods...
To the contrary. Only believers are righteous. Only believers can do works of righteousness that are acceptable to God. Regarding Matthew 25:41, these are Tribulational survivors. The ones who go into the eternal fire are the goats. The ones on His left. These are unbelievers. The issue regarding unbelievers being thrown into the lake of fire is not their sins, but their works as per Revelation 20:11-15 The unbelievers works are being mentioned in Matthew 25:41. It is by their works that unbelievers are judged. Had they believed in Christ for salvation they would have been saved. Since they didn't believe in Christ for salvation they are condemned on the basis of their works (their human righteousness.) And in the context of Matthew 25:41 their works weren't even righteous by human standards. But the point is that no works of an unbeliever can ever be acceptable to God. Just as no works of a believer that are done in the energy of the flesh can ever be acceptable to God.
Regarding Matthew 7:23, these were unbelievers who had done things in the name of Christ, but they had never believed in Christ for salvation. They depended on their works for salvation instead of depending on the work of Christ for salvation and Jesus said to them, ''I NEVER KNEW YOU.''
The issue in salvation is always belief in Christ versus not believing in Christ. And those who don't believe in Christ by default depend on and are condemned on the basis of their own works. Again, as per Revelation 20:11-15.
I've never done a deep study on that but a cursory one and i came to the same conclusion...or at least the same question in my mind if that were true or not by my understanding...but as i said, i have not gone deep into it yet...
One of the verses that universalists like to use as proof of the false doctrine of universalism is 1 Timothy 4:10 ''...who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.''
According to the universalists this verse says that all men will be saved. But that is not the meaning or intent of the passage. The intent of the passage is to show that Christ died for the sins of the entire world, so that those who believe in Christ will be saved. The passage makes it clear that 'BELIEVERS' are in view here. There are numerous passages that show that while God desires that all men be saved, He actually saves only those who have trusted in Christ and His finished and completed work on the Cross for salvation. Are you saying that you presume that ultimately all mankind will not be believers, It plainly says that ever knee shall bow and avowel the name of the Christ, I think you had better rethink your thoughts, and reconsider that if Christ died for all consequently all died, and just have not come to the REALIZATION OF IT AS YET, SALVATION IS NOT DETERMINED BY MAN bUT DETERMIND BY GOD, AND I DO BELIEVE HIM, FOR I KNOW HIM
For example, Jesus declared...
''For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVES in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16) ULTIMATELY ALL WILL BELIEVE AND GOD WILL GIVE HIS SON EXACTLY WHAT HIS SON DIED FOR AND THAT IS "ALL" CREATURES CELESTRIAL,TERRESTIAL, AND SUBTERRIAN...
And
''Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and BELIEVES Him who sent Me, has eternal "EIONIAN" life, and does not come unto judgment, but has passed out of death into life.'' (John 5:24)
The Apostle John wrote...
''The one who BELIEVES in the Son of God has the witness in himself, the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness that God has borne concerning His Son. 11) And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12) He who has the Son has the life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.'' (1 John 5:10-12)
Regarding 1 Timothy 4, David Guzik said;
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''It isn't that all men are saved in an universalist sense, but that there is only one Savior for all men, it isn't as if Christians have one Savior and others might have another Savior. But notice Pauls point: especially of those who believe. Jesus' work is adequate to save all, but only effective in saving those who come to Him by faith. (1 Timothy 4).
unquote SUMNER KOCH SAYS READ John 12:32 Jesus said if I be exalted out of the earth I will draw all to me. Not some but all...
John MacArthur said...
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''Pauls point is not that He actually saves the whole world (for that would be universalism, and Scripture clearly teaches not all will be saved.) The point is that He is the only Savior to whom anyone in the world can turn for forgiveness and eternal life--and therefore He urges all to embrace Him as Savior. Jesus Christ is proffered to the world as Savior.''
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(Master's Seminary Journal Volume 7. Spring 1996)
Sumner Koch says believe God and not man's saying of what God has said John 14:6 'Jesus said to him, ''I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.'' God is the decider believe Him and not what men say He "God" says!
Christ did not start a new religion He plainly said I am the way the truth and the life, actually Religion has not one thing to do with salvation, Christ is the saviour and not a man-made religion falsely called Christian. with Christ's ame attached to it, and calls it the Christian Religion
In John 14:6 'Jesus said to him, ''I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.''
Acts 4:12 states, ''And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved.''
TRUE TRUTH
Adam Clarke wrote in his commentary...
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''What God intends for ALL, he actually gives to them that believe in Christ, who died for the sins of the world, and tasted death for every man. As all have been purchased by his blood so that all may believe, and consequently all may be saved. Those that perish, perish through their own fault.
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Christ died for all (He is the Savior of all men ;1 Tim. 4:10) in order that 'whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal
Christ died for all (He is the Savior of all men ;1 Tim. 4:10) in order that 'whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16.'
"SMK" Comment: (eonioan) a actual beginning and an actual ending and also eternal life. John 3:16.
Their is not waste with God as their is with the works of man,
God's work is God's work and man has no say whatesever in His Salvation "ALL" is of God"
We live and move and have our being in God And I do love him for His grace "unmeried favor" to mankind.
Salvation is a free gift, and requires not one thing! God is the first cause and therfore the cause of all that has followed God is the great mover and shaker of the Universe....
It is time to awake from our drowsing demwited sleep
God the Great Holy Spirit that pervades all space and time is reconciling the entire Universe to Himself..
PS: We cannot go where God is not, wherever you are He is already there.
Your philosophy, because that is what it is, not a theology, doesn't line up with the scriptures at all. What you present here, is not Biblical in any way.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Salvation in a nutshell. Deal with it, or don't.
You have been presented with the gospel and the prerequesite for salvation.
"Prerequisite for salvation"? That is purely unscriptural.
SALVATION is a GIFT of GOD. SALVATION is a WORK of GOD! I know you claim this, but you only pay "lip-service" to it and think its your own "free will" choice that ultimately finishes the deal. And then you also claim God only atones for the saved... how bizarre and backwards is that thinking... while also claiming one has free will? If God has only atoned for the saved, those who are unsaved are not free to come to Christ.
There are no prerequisites for salvation. When God wants to save someone HE WILL DO IT. He will enable the person to believe, He will give the person faith, He will lead the person to repentance. It is all of God.
"SMK" Comment: (eonioan) a actual beginning and an actual ending and also eternal life. John 3:16.
Their is not waste with God as their is with the works of man,
God's work is God's work and man has no say whatesever in His Salvation "ALL" is of God"
We live and move and have our being in God And I do love him for His grace "unmeried favor" to mankind.
Salvation is a free gift, and requires not one thing! God is the first cause and therfore the cause of all that has followed God is the great mover and shaker of the Universe....
It is time to awake from our drowsing demwited sleep
God the Great Holy Spirit that pervades all space and time is reconciling the entire Universe to Himself..
PS: We cannot go where God is not, wherever you are He is already there.
Sir, Sumner Morrill Koch KT.
I think I agree! God is in control and He is GOOD!
"SMK" Comment: (eonioan) a actual beginning and an actual ending and also eternal life. John 3:16.
Their is not waste with God as their is with the works of man,
God's work is God's work and man has no say whatesever in His Salvation "ALL" is of God"
We live and move and have our being in God And I do love him for His grace "unmeried favor" to mankind.
Salvation is a free gift, and requires not one thing! God is the first cause and therfore the cause of all that has followed God is the great mover and shaker of the Universe....
It is time to awake from our drowsing demwited sleep
God the Great Holy Spirit that pervades all space and time is reconciling the entire Universe to Himself..
PS: We cannot go where God is not, wherever you are He is already there.
Sir, Sumner Morrill Koch KT.
"Ultimately all will believe ." Hmmm, yes even Satan believes. Not ultimately, but he already believes that there is God, heaven and hell. He knows it better than any man, but the mere acknowledgement of God's existence will not save him from eternal destruction.
And yes, every knee will bow in front of God at the throne of judgement, because it is then that even the most hardened atheists will realize that God existed all along and was the king of kings. Unfortunately for them it will be too late, because they did not make the right choice when they had the chance.
And yes, every knee will bow in front of God at the throne of judgement, because it is then that even the most hardened atheists will realize that God existed all along and was the king of kings. Unfortunately for them it will be too late, because they did not make the right choice when they had the chance.
Sounds like wicked boasting to me. You, Finn, made the right choice! You, Finn saw the chance and took it!
And yet "boasting is debarred."
"toward the display of His righteousness in the current era, for Him to be just and a Justifier of the one who is out of the faith of Jesus."
Where, then, is boasting? It is debarred! (Rom.3:26,27).
Sounds like wicked boasting to me. You, Finn, made the right choice! You, Finn saw the chance and took it!
And yet "boasting is debarred."
"toward the display of His righteousness in the current era, for Him to be just and a Justifier of the one who is out of the faith of Jesus."
Where, then, is boasting? It is debarred! (Rom.3:26,27).
Hmm, I wonder why we can't boast?
Twist my words any way you want and present any false accusation about me you want, but that won't change the fact that I didn't say one word about myself? Not a single word. My post had nothing to do with me.
Why do you attack me personally?
In the other hand your false accusations run off like water off a duck's back. I am immune to your attacks, so save your breath.
Twist my words any way you want and present any false accusation about me you want, but that won't change the fact that I didn't say one word about myself? Not a single word. My post had nothing to do with me.
Why do you attack me personally?
In the other hand your false accusations run off like water off a duck's back. I am immune to your attacks, so save your breath.
When you say: "They did not make the right choice" you are in effect saying you made the right choice.
When you say: "They had the chance" you are in effect saying you were presented with a chance and took the chance.
The problem with you saying such things is that it leaves plenty of space for personal boasting. God does not save by "chance" but by "choice" . . . His choice of us before we believe.
And if we do believe it is not due to something inherrently within up but due solely to God giving us the faith to believe.
When you say: "They did not make the right choice" you are in effect saying you made the right choice.
When you say: "They had the chance" you are in effect saying you were presented with a chance and took the chance.
The problem with you saying such things is that it leaves plenty of space for personal boasting. God does not save by "chance" but by "choice" . . . His choice of us before we believe.
And if we do believe it is not due to something inherrently within up but due solely to God giving us the faith to believe.
God does not give you the faith to believe. He gives the Gospel information so that a person can make up their mind to believe or not. Faith comes from hearing and hearing by the Word of God. A person can not have faith in someone or something until they have knowledge of who or what they are putting their faith in.
There is no boasting in making a choice to believe in Christ.
Romans 4:2 'For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3) For what does the Scripture say? ''And Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.''
Ephesians 2:8,9 ''For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it (salvation; not faith) is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
Only in the broadest possible sense can faith said to be from God in that God gave man free will so that man can make the choice to believe in Christ or not believe based upon Gospel information.
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