Will Houston pass Chicago in population in the next 20 years? (safe, living)

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by staygully

u had 45 shootings in a weekend with a few people killed, no wonder they call it chiraq How Chicago Became

The thing that most people don't understand about Chicago is this.
1) Most of the stuff like that happening is gang on gang or drug trade related. It's not usually random people being targeted at all.

2) Most of that stuff happens in a very short number of areas away from the good areas. Would you like me to show you the breakdown by neighborhood about this? I have the data - Chicago is very much a tale of two cities. One part of town is safe, while another part away from it is not necessarily the safest.

3) The homicide rate isn't even top 10 worst in the US, even for the anomalous year that was 2012 (2013 had 101 fewer homcides).


I'm not saying that this stuff isn't unfortunate - it is, but it's funny how it's all of a sudden focused on. The homicide rate in the early 90s was double of what it is today and for some reason, nobody was covering it.

[staygully]

Originally Posted by marothisu

The thing that most people don't understand about Chicago is this.
1) Most of the stuff like that happening is gang on gang or drug trade related. It's not usually random people being targeted at all.

2) Most of that stuff happens in a very short number of areas away from the good areas. Would you like me to show you the breakdown by neighborhood about this? I have the data - Chicago is very much a tale of two cities. One part of town is safe, while another part away from it is not necessarily the safest.

3) The homicide rate isn't even top 10 worst in the US, even for the anomalous year that was 2012 (2013 had 101 fewer homcides).


I'm not saying that this stuff isn't unfortunate - it is, but it's funny how it's all of a sudden focused on. The homicide rate in the early 90s was double of what it is today and for some reason, nobody was covering it.

No? How about this:
On Easter weekend, 45 people were shot in the city, six of them children.

Five youngsters under the age of 15—four girls and a boy—were shot in a playground where they had gone after Easter services at a nearby church.

If you dont consider 6 kids shot in one weekend random victims then I dont know what else to say. And Yes, I know this doesnt happen every weekend, but happens enough. Glad that you are comparing the improvement to the days of the crack epidemic, a real nice example to base everything on.
Sorry to say, but you got domestic terrorism there, not just a gang problem.

[fusion2]

I could be wrong but isn't Houston REALLY spread out and the city boundary insanely large. Chicagoland is huge also but it has a dense urbanized area and a really solid and dense core.

[staygully]

Chicago is one of the worst economies in the country America's Uneven Economic Recovery: The 10 Best and 10 Worst Cities - DailyFinance

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by staygully

No? How about this:
On Easter weekend, 45 people were shot in the city, six of them children.

Five youngsters under the age of 15—four girls and a boy—were shot in a playground where they had gone after Easter services at a nearby church.

If you dont consider 6 kids shot in one weekend random victims then I dont know what else to say. And Yes, I know this doesnt happen every weekend, but happens enough. Glad that you are comparing to the days of the crack epidemic, a real nice example to base everything on.

Sometimes some people in these neighborhood get a stray bullet and that is very unfortunate. In the case of kids, if you know anything about gang structure, you'd know that gangs recruit young kids, often times under the age of 10 or 12 years old to do stuff for them. So it's not what it seems sometimes. 45 shot in one weekend doesn't happen "enough" - it happens a few times a year when it first gets nice out. It's unfortunate that the **** happens but most of the city is actually safe and anybody who's visited the city or lives there would know this.


I can compare it to the days of the crack epidemic because it's still less. Again, the crime rate is the lowest it's been since the early 70s. Here's a study done by an Associate Professor at Yale about it this very thing:
http://www.papachristos.org/Welcome_...ngPaper023.pdf


This is data by neighborhood of homicides between 2006 and 2013 (8 years) which is less than or equal to the 2012 homicide rate of Los Angeles, which was 7.8 per 100K people (Houston was 10 per 100K people)

* Edison Park | 11187 people | 0 per 100k rate avg
* Mount Greenwood | 19093 people | 0 per 100k rate avg
* Lincoln Park | 64116 people | 0.97479568282488 per 100k rate avg
* Norwood Park | 37023 people | 1.35051184398887 per 100k rate avg
* Forest Glen | 18508 people | 1.35076723578993 per 100k rate avg
* Lincoln Square | 39493 people | 1.58255893449472 per 100k rate avg
* Lake View | 94368 people | 1.85444218379112 per 100k rate avg
* O'Hare | 12756 people | 1.95986202571339 per 100k rate avg
* North Center | 31867 people | 1.96127655568456 per 100k rate avg
* Dunning | 41932 people | 2.08671181913574 per 100k rate avg
* The Loop | 29283 people | 2.13434415872691 per 100k rate avg
* North Park | 17931 people | 2.78846690089789 per 100k rate avg
* Jefferson Park | 25448 people | 2.94718641936498 per 100k rate avg
* Portage Park | 64124 people | 3.11895702077225 per 100k rate avg
* Beverly | 20034 people | 3.11969651592293 per 100k rate avg
* West Ridge | 71942 people | 3.47502154513358 per 100k rate avg
* Clearing | 23139 people | 3.7814944466053 per 100k rate avg
* Hyde Park | 25681 people | 3.89392936412134 per 100k rate avg
* Irving Park | 53359 people | 3.98 per 100k rate avg
* Near North Side | 80484 people | 4.35 per 100k rate avg
* Montclare | 13426 people | 4.66 per 100k rate avg
* Garfield Ridge | 34513 people | 4.71 per 100k rate avg
* West Elsdon | 18109 people | 4.83 per 100k rate avg
* Edgewater | 56521 people | 5.31 per 100k rate avg
* West Lawn | 33355 people | 5.62 per 100k rate avg
* Belmont Cragin | 78743 people | 5.87 per 100k rate avg
* Uptown | 56362 people | 5.99 per 100k rate avg
* Logan Square | 73595 people | 6.11 per 100k rate avg
* Albany Park | 51542 people | 6.31 per 100k rate avg
* Armour Square | 13391 people | 6.53 per 100k rate avg
* Rogers Park | 54991 people | 6.59 per 100k rate avg
* East Side | 23042 people | 7.59 per 100k rate avg
* Near South Side | 21390 people | 7.6 per 100k rate avg
* Avondale | 39262 people | 7.64 per 100k rate avg
* TOTAL | 1,350,010 people | 4.04 per 100k rate avg

This entire area would form the 9th largest city in the US with a total homicide rate on average lower than that of NYC. It has a slightly lower rate than that of San Jose, CA.

[Maintainschaos]

You've got to lol at somebody from NJ poking fun at lagging economies and homicide rates. Talk about your glass houses...

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by staygully

Chicago is one of the worst economies in the country America's Uneven Economic Recovery: The 10 Best and 10 Worst Cities - DailyFinance

That article was from two years ago. While Chicago is not tops, it's doing a lot better than it was when this article was written and that data was a reality.

https://www.worldbusinesschicago.com...amed-top-metro

Also 2013 was a record high for number of million dollar or more homes sold in the city since before the economy took a hit and home prices have been increasing. I'm not saying it's tops in the US or close to it, but it's not what it seems. Take it from someone who is actually involved in hiring people. If you are educated in Chicago and your degree isn't one that's not in demand anywhere like Theater, you're fine.

[staygully]

Originally Posted by Maintainschaos

You've got to lol at somebody from NJ poking fun at lagging economies and homicide rates. Talk about your glass houses...

Yea, but this thread is about Chicago and Houston. NJ sux too. It's about being real.

[staygully]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Sometimes some people in these neighborhood get a stray bullet and that is very unfortunate. In the case of kids, if you know anything about gang structure, you'd know that gangs recruit young kids, often times under the age of 10 or 12 years old to do stuff for them. So it's not what it seems sometimes. 45 shot in one weekend doesn't happen "enough" - it happens a few times a year when it first gets nice out. It's unfortunate that the **** happens but most of the city is actually safe and anybody who's visited the city or lives there would know this.


I can compare it to the days of the crack epidemic because it's still less. Again, the crime rate is the lowest it's been since the early 70s. Here's a study done by an Associate Professor at Yale about it this very thing:
http://www.papachristos.org/Welcome_...ngPaper023.pdf


This is data by neighborhood of homicides between 2006 and 2013 (8 years) which is less than or equal to the 2012 homicide rate of Los Angeles, which was 7.8 per 100K people (Houston was 10 per 100K people)

* Edison Park | 11187 people | 0 per 100k rate avg
* Mount Greenwood | 19093 people | 0 per 100k rate avg
* Lincoln Park | 64116 people | 0.97479568282488 per 100k rate avg
* Norwood Park | 37023 people | 1.35051184398887 per 100k rate avg
* Forest Glen | 18508 people | 1.35076723578993 per 100k rate avg
* Lincoln Square | 39493 people | 1.58255893449472 per 100k rate avg
* Lake View | 94368 people | 1.85444218379112 per 100k rate avg
* O'Hare | 12756 people | 1.95986202571339 per 100k rate avg
* North Center | 31867 people | 1.96127655568456 per 100k rate avg
* Dunning | 41932 people | 2.08671181913574 per 100k rate avg
* The Loop | 29283 people | 2.13434415872691 per 100k rate avg
* North Park | 17931 people | 2.78846690089789 per 100k rate avg
* Jefferson Park | 25448 people | 2.94718641936498 per 100k rate avg
* Portage Park | 64124 people | 3.11895702077225 per 100k rate avg
* Beverly | 20034 people | 3.11969651592293 per 100k rate avg
* West Ridge | 71942 people | 3.47502154513358 per 100k rate avg
* Clearing | 23139 people | 3.7814944466053 per 100k rate avg
* Hyde Park | 25681 people | 3.89392936412134 per 100k rate avg
* Irving Park | 53359 people | 3.98 per 100k rate avg
* Near North Side | 80484 people | 4.35 per 100k rate avg
* Montclare | 13426 people | 4.66 per 100k rate avg
* Garfield Ridge | 34513 people | 4.71 per 100k rate avg
* West Elsdon | 18109 people | 4.83 per 100k rate avg
* Edgewater | 56521 people | 5.31 per 100k rate avg
* West Lawn | 33355 people | 5.62 per 100k rate avg
* Belmont Cragin | 78743 people | 5.87 per 100k rate avg
* Uptown | 56362 people | 5.99 per 100k rate avg
* Logan Square | 73595 people | 6.11 per 100k rate avg
* Albany Park | 51542 people | 6.31 per 100k rate avg
* Armour Square | 13391 people | 6.53 per 100k rate avg
* Rogers Park | 54991 people | 6.59 per 100k rate avg
* East Side | 23042 people | 7.59 per 100k rate avg
* Near South Side | 21390 people | 7.6 per 100k rate avg
* Avondale | 39262 people | 7.64 per 100k rate avg
* TOTAL | 1,350,010 people | 4.04 per 100k rate avg

This entire area would form the 9th largest city in the US with a total homicide rate on average lower than that of NYC. It has a slightly lower rate than that of San Jose, CA.

I didnt see any proof that those kids were intended targets, but nice of you to justify the killings, Mr Gang Expert. Guess what? Normal cities dont have 45 shot in a weekend, not a few times a yr, not ever. You can make all excuses you want though.

[staygully]

Originally Posted by marothisu

That article was from two years ago. While Chicago is not tops, it's doing a lot better than it was when this article was written and that data was a reality.

https://www.worldbusinesschicago.com...amed-top-metro

Also 2013 was a record high for number of million dollar or more homes sold in the city since before the economy took a hit and home prices have been increasing. I'm not saying it's tops in the US or close to it, but it's not what it seems. Take it from someone who is actually involved in hiring people. If you are educated in Chicago and your degree isn't one that's not in demand anywhere like Theater, you're fine.

Yes, I know. You are involved in everything, and you got friends everywhere, you are real popular and successful. You're so cool, I might wanna be your friend now.
Why Illinois job creation lags - Chicago Tribune
Chicagoland economy expected to lag in 2014 | Daily Chronicle

I guess you know better than Forbes. "In its review of regions across the country with the most economic momentum, Chicago ranked 40th out of 52 of the largest metropolitan areas examined by the magazine."