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I don't agree with your notion of Miami being more urban but I would agree with you here. Both Miami and to a lesser extent Houston attract people from all over the world.
I think their are some myths that have been perpetrated.These are from the Census FactFinder for all four MSA's.
Percentage of foreign born population Houston-21.3% Atlanta-12.6% Miami-36.9% Dallas-17.7%
But Of those percentages above,listed below are the regions of the world from which those foreign born's origins.
Europe / Asia / Africa / Latin Amer. / Oceania Atlanta 10.6% - 25.5% - 9.3% - 52.4% - 0.4% Houston 4.8% - 20.5 - 3.4 - 69.9 - 0.2 Dallas 4.6 - 20.8 - 4.7 - 68.4 - 0.2 Miami 6.9 - 5.0 - 1.0 - 85.1 - 0.1
When you look at it by these Census numbers,Atlanta is more diverse than them all.
Diversity by race is not the only way to determine how "diverse" a city is.
Also these number tell you more about how these dynamics come into play.In Houston's case(and Miami to some extent),these immigrants are coming from mostly poorer countries such as Houston-Mexico and Miami-Haiti,Jamaica,Cuba,Dominican Rep.etc..They also tend to be less educated than those from Europe. Per Capita Incomes
Miami:26,596
Dallas:27,042
Atlanta:28,380
Houston:25,862
Educational Attainment
% of Pop. H.School or higher B.S.or Graduate
Atlanta 86.0 / 33.5
Houston 78.7 / 27.3
Dallas 81.4 / 29.5
Miami 81.9 / 27.8
As you see in Both categories Atlanta ranks significantly higher.These are some of the indicators attributed to cities that we hold up as true urban centers.Im not saying this makes Atlanta the best,but it does not hurt its case for this discussion.
I think their are some myths that have been perpetrated.These are from the Census FactFinder for all four MSA's.
Percentage of foreign born population Houston-21.3% Atlanta-12.6% Miami-36.9% Dallas-17.7%
But Of those percentages above,listed below are the regions of the world from which those foreign born's origins.
Europe / Asia / Africa / Latin Amer. / Oceania Atlanta 10.6% - 25.5% - 9.3% - 52.4% - 0.4% Houston 4.8% - 20.5 - 3.4 - 69.9 - 0.2 Dallas 4.6 - 20.8 - 4.7 - 68.4 - 0.2 Miami 6.9 - 5.0 - 1.0 - 85.1 - 0.1
When you look at it by these Census numbers,Atlanta is more diverse than them all.
Diversity by race is not the only way to determine how "diverse" a city is.
Uh no, Atlanta is still not more diverse than Houston or Miami. You start breaking down those ethnic groups, and you'll see why Houston and Miami are considered to be diverse.
All this shows is that Atlanta has a more balanced foreign-born population; not more diverse. Going by your logic; ATL is also more diverse than LA which we all known is a lie.
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Also these number tell you more about how these dynamics come into play.In Houston's case(and Miami to some extent),these immigrants are coming from mostly poorer countries such as Houston-Mexico and Miami-Haiti,Jamaica,Cuba,Dominican Rep.etc..They also tend to be less educated than those from Europe. Per Capita Incomes
Miami:26,596
Dallas:27,042
Atlanta:28,380
Houston:25,862
Once again, land size is what affect these numbers and for Houston to be like 5 times bigger than Atlanta, and 10 times bigger than Miami. It holds it own; not really a good look for those cities.
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Educational Attainment
% of Pop. H.School or higher B.S.or Graduate
Atlanta 86.0 / 33.5
Houston 78.7 / 27.3
Dallas 81.4 / 29.5
Miami 81.9 / 27.8
As you see in Both categories Atlanta ranks significantly higher.These are some of the indicators attributed to cities that we hold up as true urban centers.Im not saying this makes Atlanta the best,but it does not hurt its case for this discussion.
Once again, land size. Those numbers are really not impressive because it just goes to show that Houston is looking pretty good for a city with such large boundaries. Good Look Houston!
Once again, land size is what affect these numbers and for Houston to be like 5 times bigger than Atlanta, and 10 times bigger than Miami. It holds it own; not really a good look for those cities.
Once again, land size. Those numbers are really not impressive because it just goes to show that Houston is looking pretty good for a city with such large boundaries. Good Look Houston!
Land size has nothing to do with these statistics. It is a sampling of people in general and nothing to do with people/sq mile. If you could find a bias in the sampling of those statistics that the outer edges of the city were poorer and less educated (suburbian areas like Kingwood), then maybe you have a case.
However, I bet you will find a reverse bias then what you are submitting showing by "annexing" those suburbs, Houston's numbers actually went up since a majority of suburbs in Sunbelt cities have higher incomes and educational rates.
Land size has nothing to do with these statistics. It is a sampling of people in general and nothing to do with people/sq mile. If you could find a bias in the sampling of those statistics that the outer edges of the city were poorer and less educated (suburbian areas like Kingwood), then maybe you have a case.
However, I bet you will find a reverse bias then what you are submitting showing by "annexing" those suburbs, Houston's numbers actually went up since a majority of suburbs in Sunbelt cities have higher incomes and educational rates.
May want to look at your arguement again.
You must not know Houston. Inner Loop is where the old money, educated, intellectuals and more live. When Houston started annexing; it annexed lots of low-income areas. It's like Atlanta annexing from it to College Park, East Point, Riverdale and everything in those surrounding areas. It would definitely screw up Atlanta's educated and high income percentages. Kingwood is an exception; However, what about Alief, Sharpstown, Greenspoint, and more.
You see cities like LA or NYC never make these list because the populations are too large, and for LA. Its city limits expand far.
I learn a lot from reading all these people's opinions. It would make sense like a lot of people have said that Miami is more crowded and urban because the ocean prevents people from spreading development and sprawl in every direction so you have to build tall buildings close together. I've only been twice it's cool because you can skate on Lincoln Rd and no one bothers you.
I think their are some myths that have been perpetrated.These are from the Census FactFinder for all four MSA's.
Percentage of foreign born population Houston-21.3% Atlanta-12.6% Miami-36.9% Dallas-17.7%
But Of those percentages above,listed below are the regions of the world from which those foreign born's origins.
Europe / Asia / Africa / Latin Amer. / Oceania Atlanta 10.6% - 25.5% - 9.3% - 52.4% - 0.4% Houston 4.8% - 20.5 - 3.4 - 69.9 - 0.2 Dallas 4.6 - 20.8 - 4.7 - 68.4 - 0.2 Miami 6.9 - 5.0 - 1.0 - 85.1 - 0.1
When you look at it by these Census numbers,Atlanta is more diverse than them all.
Diversity by race is not the only way to determine how "diverse" a city is.
Also these number tell you more about how these dynamics come into play.In Houston's case(and Miami to some extent),these immigrants are coming from mostly poorer countries such as Houston-Mexico and Miami-Haiti,Jamaica,Cuba,Dominican Rep.etc..They also tend to be less educated than those from Europe. Per Capita Incomes
Miami:26,596
Dallas:27,042
Atlanta:28,380
Houston:25,862
Educational Attainment
% of Pop. H.School or higher B.S.or Graduate
Atlanta 86.0 / 33.5
Houston 78.7 / 27.3
Dallas 81.4 / 29.5
Miami 81.9 / 27.8
As you see in Both categories Atlanta ranks significantly higher.These are some of the indicators attributed to cities that we hold up as true urban centers.Im not saying this makes Atlanta the best,but it does not hurt its case for this discussion.
It is safe to say that when most people speak of diversity they are speaking in terms of race. And Houston is in fact the most diverse. Third largest number of foreign consulates behind only LA and NYC, I believe it has the largest Nigerian population in America, and one of the largest Vietnamese communities.
In SW houston, there are some zip codes that are practically 25% white, 25% black, 25% Latino, and 25% Asian. I highly doubt you find something like that in the A.
It is safe to say that when most people speak of diversity they are speaking in terms of race. And Houston is in fact the most diverse. Third largest number of foreign consulates behind only LA and NYC, I believe it has the largest Nigerian population in America, and one of the largest Vietnamese communities.
In SW houston, there are some zip codes that are practically 25% white, 25% black, 25% Latino, and 25% Asian. I highly doubt you find something like that in the A.
No I don't think it safe to say that diversity equals race by itself.Most people seeking diversity think of race,gender,cultural,religious, sexual orientation,and nationality.Just like the Nigerian population I hear people from Houston quoting all that time,yet Atlanta not only has a large Nigerian population, but also from other African countries.
Actually you are incorrect again to assume what you said.There are several areas especially in Dekalb,and Gwinnett,and in Clayton counties where you will find that demographic breakdown as well.Vietnamese population in Clayton county is about as high in Atlanta as it is in Houston or Dallas.Of course we are talking about as a percentage of the population,because Houston is significantly larger
.I don't know what you heard but its totally false to assume because Atlanta has a number of black people that it is black and white like some people claim.There are of course areas where you can live that are majority white,black,Hispanic or Asian as well.Or together.
Diversity is just not about collecting races,cultures etc, it about being inclusive.All these cities fail in that.Miami may be the most diverse but the Cuban population pretty much runs everything in Miami.(government).There has always been tension in the Haitians and Cuban communities.Better today but still underneath the surface and routinely surfaces in political debates.
Has ANY of these cities other than Atlanta had a female mayor?What about an Asian council-person?Gay politicians?Atlanta's former city council president was Cathy Woolard a gay woman.Miami and Atlanta are the only major cities in the South that offer offer Domestic Partner Benefits to employees and any company operating in Atlanta has to provide ALL to its employees.Does that sound like diversity at it best?
You must not know Houston. Inner Loop is where the old money, educated, intellectuals and more live. When Houston started annexing; it annexed lots of low-income areas. It's like Atlanta annexing from it to College Park, East Point, Riverdale and everything in those surrounding areas. It would definitely screw up Atlanta's educated and high income percentages. Kingwood is an exception; However, what about Alief, Sharpstown, Greenspoint, and more.
You see cities like LA or NYC never make these list because the populations are too large, and for LA. Its city limits expand far.
You realize that this is very flawed logic.Youre basically saying becasue Houston annexed so much its not fair? Philadelphia,Boston,Baltimore,D.C.are all smaller and more diverse than Atlanta.(Philly is almost identical to Atlanta in size)
We could go on all day about what ifs.If Atlanta annexed Fayette county to the South or Cobb county to the North, that would raise its income higher .
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Philadelphia,Boston,Baltimore,D.C.are all smaller and more diverse than Atlanta.(Philly is almost identical to Atlanta in size)
