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Old 08-10-2022, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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"The election deniers, Jan 6 defenders, and never mind abortion, votes against contraception, the GOP risks seriously underperforming the circumstances. The Maryland Governor's race is the 1st casualty,"


That's 5 things versus 1 for Biden. Democrats have bigger problem than just Biden being inept. You can replace him with Kamala, Warren or Pete and their issues would be the same or worse.

With the way PA is going, the Dems could actually gain a seat in the Senate. That is ridiculous considering how awful they've been. Biden's approval is in the 20s with Independents and I agree no one on the Dem bench is any better. But when the alternative is tin foil hats blindly regurgitating Putin-Trump garbage about stolen elections, voting against contraception, and defending people who stormed the Capitol, the GOP is practically writing Dem commercials about out-of-touch extremists.


I know it's easier to debate when you can oversimplify the world and just categorize people into left or right, but the GOP is blowing this election with Independents who don't sheepishly follow taking points of either party, and Independents are growing in number faster than Dems or Republicans.

 
Old 08-10-2022, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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Take U.S. history and then comeback here and tell us Trump is the only administration including Congress that was corrupt.

Nowhere as corrupt as Russia, where all business is corrupt and where per capita GDP is 1/10th of the US's. Pathetic excuse of a country.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 11:05 AM
 
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With the way PA is going, the Dems could actually gain a seat in the Senate. That is ridiculous considering how awful they've been. Biden's approval is in the 20s with Independents and I agree no one on the Dem bench is any better. But when the alternative is tin foil hats blindly regurgitating Putin-Trump garbage about stolen elections, voting against contraception, and defending people who stormed the Capitol, the GOP is practically writing Dem commercials about out-of-touch extremists.


I know it's easier to debate when you can oversimplify the world and just categorize people into left or right, but the GOP is blowing this election with Independents who don't sheepishly follow taking points of either party, and Independents are growing in number faster than Dems or Republicans.
Comeback after the midterms. All I read is your wishful thinking.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I saw a bit somewhere last night saying that while conventional wisdom holds that the POTUS' party always loses seats in the midterms, they said, "Right now, we're completely off script, and nobody really knows how this is going to play out."
I liken it to hurricane force winds coming in from three directions and the wind gauge spinning in circles. There are unprecedented variables for this midterm that can greatly impact who turns out to vote. The two most recent years where the Party in power gained seats in the midterms was 1998 (Monica Lewinsky/impeachment) and 2002 (9/11 shock). I don't see a variable as big as 9/11 in this cycle but does overturning Roe Dobbs compete with a Monica Lewinsky/Impeachment backlash...yea that kinda does. As I always say...there is one poll that counts and that is in Nov.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 11:47 AM
 
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I liken it to hurricane force winds coming in from three directions and the wind gauge spinning in circles. There are unprecedented variables for this midterm that can greatly impact who turns out to vote. The two most recent years where the Party in power gained seats in the midterms was 1998 (Monica Lewinsky/impeachment) and 2002 (9/11 shock). I don't see a variable as big as 9/11 in this cycle but does overturning Roe Dobbs compete with a Monica Lewinsky/Impeachment backlash...yea that kinda does. As I always say...there is one poll that counts and that is in Nov.

We didn't have a recession in 1998. The economy was roaring and people didn't want to be bother about Clinton's crimes. Just like the Iran Contra affair in 1987. The economy was doing very good and the people didn't want impeachment to mess with the flow.


Not the same scenario today. People always vote with their pockets and the party in power are lying that We aren't in a recession to a point to change the definition in public and you say that isn't the #1 issue?


This reminds me of 2006, when W Bush was unpopular and the economy going down (not as bad today) Democrats won big in the midterms. This is the same.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I liken it to hurricane force winds coming in from three directions and the wind gauge spinning in circles. There are unprecedented variables for this midterm that can greatly impact who turns out to vote. The two most recent years where the Party in power gained seats in the midterms was 1998 (Monica Lewinsky/impeachment) and 2002 (9/11 shock). I don't see a variable as big as 9/11 in this cycle but does overturning Roe Dobbs compete with a Monica Lewinsky/Impeachment backlash...yea that kinda does. As I always say...there is one poll that counts and that is in Nov.
True and the Dodd decision isn't popular. Kansas voted down a very misleading constitutional amendment proposition. That should tell you something. Indiana is in deep trouble with the Heartbeat bill that just passed.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 04:50 PM
 
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True and the Dodd decision isn't popular. Kansas voted down a very misleading constitutional amendment proposition. That should tell you something. Indiana is in deep trouble with the Heartbeat bill that just passed.

No, the Democrats are in big deep trouble for the recession. Recession is the #1 issue.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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No, the Democrats are in big deep trouble for the recession. Recession is the #1 issue.
It is a major issue but abortion is proving to be another. Especially the far right views on it. Blake Masters is toast based on his views.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 07:05 PM
 
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It is a major issue but abortion is proving to be another. Especially the far right views on it. Blake Masters is toast based on his views.

I don't think so. What's state is an issue apart from a few red states that will stay red? The biggest issues for the majority of people don't seem to be the adversarial culture war stuff, but the nuts-and-bolts stuff.
 
Old 08-10-2022, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don't think so. What's state is an issue apart from a few red states that will stay red? The biggest issues for the majority of people don't seem to be the adversarial culture war stuff, but the nuts-and-bolts stuff.
You mean like all the CRT that Republicans insist are taught in school but will not say what they do? You mean like the LBGTIQA+ stuff that really isn't being pressed? Gimme a break and stop claiming the left is behind the culture war, it is the right that is blame it on the left...
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