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The only pro-Russian YouTube videos are in Russian because the world knows what evil child killing b*stards they are! Real Russians have no access to YouTube (or anything else anymore), all the Russians on here (including those pretending not to be Russians) are Russian 'bots':-
Easthome, if you knew what your government and NATO were doing in Ukraine for the past eight years you would march up to Buckingham palace and tare the queen from her throne.
They armed Nazis who deliberatly killed children, and supported a president who threatened children on live TV. Now the mass murders are using propaganda and residential buildings to hide their crimes as Zelensky and NATO sacrifice their people to score a win.
If only you knew, you would be in Parliament demanding the arrest of every single one of your PMs, military officials, and MI6 agents.
I'm glad you posted it. Found this article to be interesting.
I didn't know much about the Atlantic Council so I search it.
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In February 2009, James L. Jones, then-chairman of the Atlantic Council, stepped down in order to serve as President Obama's new National Security Advisor. In addition, other Council members also left to serve the administration: Susan Rice as ambassador to the UN, Richard Holbrooke as the Special Representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, General Eric K. Shinseki as the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, and Anne-Marie Slaughter as Director of Policy Planning at the State Department. Four years later, Hagel stepped down to serve as US Secretary of Defense. Gen. Brent Scowcroft served as interim chairman of the organization's Board of Directors until January 2014.
I'm guessing it's a far left organization - still it's an interesting article worth reading.
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Claims of an intrinsically divided Ukraine are equally flawed. Like many fellow advocates of the divided Ukraine narrative, Matlock reproduces various maps depicting the results of the country’s 2010 presidential election in order to indicate a sharp divide separating Ukraine into pro-Russian east and pro-European west.
However, while voter patterns in 2010 did reveal clear regional preferences for the two leading candidates, this hardly makes Ukraine exceptional. Indeed, the electoral maps of numerous more mature democracies including Germany, Italy, the US and UK also regularly feature similarly pronounced geographical divides without provoking debate over their viability as nation states.
IMHO, this is wrong.
There have been huge tensions between red and blue states ever since the civil war. This division has increased with covid regulation and mandates. "America is growing more geographically polarized — red ZIP codes are getting redder and blue ZIP codes are becoming bluer. People appear to be sorting." https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/10812...ical-alignment
Germany and Italy have pronounced geographical divides but recognized they were the same ethnicity - not true for Ukraine. (one obsessed CD posters talks about one tiny area in northern Italy otherwise it's true)
UK has pronounced geographical divides are in different member states - England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. There are borders between the divides. I can't even make sense of this comparison.
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Nor is linguistic choice in any way an indication of political preferences in contemporary Ukraine. While usage of Ukrainian is on the rise nationally, today’s Kyiv remains the largest Russian-speaking city in the world outside of Russia itself, yet nobody would suggest that it is anything other than a bastion of Ukrainian patriotism.
There is a reason why in 2014 agreements were broken which allowed minority speakers to use their language in business and schools. I think this should be covered in the article.
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Even its most ardent supporters would recognize that modern Ukraine is a work in progress. For a country that experienced more than three hundred years of foreign domination and served as the epicenter of the totalitarian twentieth century, this is hardly surprising. At the same time, there is nothing particularly unusual about the political or linguistic diversity of today’s Ukraine, which echo similar trends elsewhere in a region profoundly shaped by the great upheavals of WWI and WWII.
This misses the whole cause of WWI was independence for ethnicity. It was tribalism which is back again.
It's contrary to my views but interesting none the less.
In an attempt to avert a major war in Europe, France and Germany, backed by the U.S., pressed for implementation of the controversial Minsk peace accords as the best chance for a solution to Russian demands on Ukraine. The package of agreements, which they helped negotiate with Russia after Ukrainian military defeats in 2014 and 2015, were complex, hotly disputed and went to the heart of what is at root a struggle over Ukrainian identity and sovereignty.
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The accords sought to halt the armed conflict that broke out in eastern Ukraine in 2014. The country’s pro-Russia leader Viktor Yanukovych had just been ousted by mass protests in the capital Kyiv, triggered by his decision -- under pressure from Putin -- to renege on a trade pact with the European Union. Smaller protests against the new government in Kyiv followed throughout eastern and southern Ukraine, with armed Russia-backed separatists seizing territory in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, together known as the Donbas.
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One problem was that though Russia negotiated the Minsk deal, it said it was not a party to the conflict and therefore not responsible for implementation. Ukraine says it was. Beyond that there were at least three key disputes. The first was who should be in control when elections were held. Still more difficult was that the deal says the special status for the Donbas region, and arguably Ukraine’s constitutional restructuring, have to be made “in consultation and agreement with” the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics, through a specially formed group. Potentially the most dangerous dispute was over the extent of the special status territory, which was left undefined. The separatist leaders said it should include all of the Donetsk and Luhansk provinces, more than half of which remains under Kyiv’s control.
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Russia saw Minsk as a deal Ukraine signed and was obliged to fulfill, returning the Donbas to Kyiv’s control while ensuring the safety and rights of the area’s citizens, as many as 800,000 of whom have now received Russian passports. That’s roughly 20% to 40% of the population, depending on estimates. Moscow also saw the accords as creating wide autonomy for Donbas
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A December 2021 poll found that 75% of Ukrainians thought the Minsk accords should either be amended or abandoned. Just 12% thought they should be implemented.
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France and Germany were central to negotiation of the Minsk accords, and to talks in the seven years since under the so-called Normandy Format -- which includes those two countries, Russia and Ukraine -- to implement them. They argued, as did Russia until it declared the territories independent states, that the agreements were the only available route to a diplomatic solution to the crisis. Both French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz shuttled between Moscow and Kyiv in February in an effort to reinvigorate the Normandy process.
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Minsk reduced the Donbas conflict to limited trench warfare for seven years, yet each side blames the other for the failure to implement key terms. Prior to the Russian attacks on Feb. 24, the fighting had already killed about 14,000 people and left more than 1.4 million internally displaced within Ukraine, according to government data. It was always difficult to see a solution emerging, because as Duncan Allan, an analyst at the Chatham House think tank in London, wrote in a study, the accords “rest on two irreconcilable interpretations of Ukraine’s sovereignty: Is Ukraine sovereign, as Ukrainians insist, or should its sovereignty be limited, as Russia demands?”
Easthome, if you knew what your government and NATO were doing in Ukraine for the past eight years you would march up to Buckingham palace and tare the queen from her throne.
They armed Nazis who deliberatly killed children, and supported a president who threatened children on live TV. Now the mass murders are using propaganda and residential buildings to hide their crimes as Zelensky and NATO sacrifice their people to score a win.
If only you knew, you would be in Parliament demanding the arrest of every single one of your PMs, military officials, and MI6 agents.
Russians have invaded a country and murdered the women and children that live there!
Russians are child killers.
Well, what can I tell you. Apparently Ukraine has either re-launched its information operations center (or whatever it is called correctly) .Or they are already in Krakow and they have been allocated a room, Internet and computers. Youtube was just flooded with the same type of videos cut in the same style and from the same frames in an hour.
Just like a sewer burst.
Russians have invaded a country and murdered the women and children that live there!
Russians are child killers.
You are arguing with a Ruskie bootlicker who loves mother Russia so much they chose to live in a Western country that they despise and blame for every evil under the sun. The hypocrisy would be staggering but those of us familiar with Russian integrity aren't at all surprised.
You are arguing with a Ruskie bootlicker who loves mother Russia so much they chose to live in a Western country that they despise and blame for every evil under the sun. The hypocrisy would be staggering but those of us familiar with Russian integrity aren't at all surprised.
I doubt there are any real Russians on here, Russia is being cut off from the rest of the world (just like the good old days when people in the East used to risk their lives getting to the West), I imagine all these posters (even ones pretending NOT to be Russian) are Russian 'bots':-
I think it is hilarious that even the Russian government are backpeddling on the "nazi" accusations.
Instead it is 'nationalists'.
Some of our brain washed users here at CD have completely adopted that change of rhetoric as well.
The funny (or sad) part is that Putin seems to be the primary nationalist.
Years ago there was this long thread on the differences between Fascism and Communism. Posters would write pages.
Both, of course, were authoritarian but Fascism was associated with nationalism - the emphasis on nationhood with, in the case of Nazi Germany, it expressed as ethnic nationalism constructed around one culture, language, or ethnicity. That was not the case for the USSR, although Stalin abandoned the Leninst tactic of providing autonomy to various republics containing minorities as he "Russified" the USSR.
Still, today Russia proper includes many minorities. But that is irrelevant to the Putin attempt to reconstitute "mother Russia" with Ukraine a key component. Encouraging the Russian separatist movement in Donbass was nothing but nationalism - and ethnic nationalism at that.
Nationalism doesn't have to be negative, it's all in the application. Putin's was the worst form: focusing on ethnic nationalism for Russians in Donbass then making that the highest value achieved at any price, including the loss of human life from this insane invasion. That's the N word, even though I highly doubt Putin has any swastika tattoos.
It would not surprise me if the Donbass situation was only an excuse for what Putin really wanted - Ukraine (except perhaps for some pesky W. Ukrainians on former Polish land) back into Russia orbit. Lord knows, he was quick to take advantage of 2014 - inflaming the situation. But then to the dismay and seeming surprise of some separatists, never actually moving to annex.
(For the record, I don't think this really had much to do with NATO or even the West although W. Ukraine's increasing ties to the West further offended Putin's concepts of how Ukrainians needed to hold to their so-called "Russian" heritage.)
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Still, today Russia proper includes many minorities. But that is irrelevant to the Putin attempt to reconstitute "mother Russia" with Ukraine akey component.
This Vox article has resources for where people can donate to relief and refugee agencies that are helping Ukrainians who are feeling their war-torn country.
I would stick with a source like this or go direct to the International Committee of the Red Cross site - don't just donate through some random web page that you find via a link on social media for example - legions of Russian parasites have set up fake aid websites to steal money and ensure that Ukrainian victims receive no help.
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