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Why do you play along with Russian propaganda playing this Ukrainian "nationalist" de-humanization card? For starters one needs to define what makes a Ukrainian nationalist Russians spend all those efforts to de-humanize. It is not that hard, it is a person who believes that independent Ukraine and Ukrainian identity/language/culture have a right to exist in full sense, and not as a rural folklore theme park for tourists. Any person, as in ANY, who holds those extremist views will be labeled and perceived as a "nationalist" by Russians. Compared that to aggressive Russian nationalism that is inseparable from imposing Russian will on lesser people.
Cultural identity is a strong motivator, although what - in part - drove the early Ukrainian nationalists was national autonomy. A state of their own, and certainly one that was not Stalin or even Poland. For example, you can read of fervent Ukrainian communists who remained loyal to the USSR even when massively mistreated by it. Only to fall away when they learned of the Holomodor.
Except what do you mean by in full sense? In other posts on different threads some charge Ukrainians impose their language on Russians. Some of the assertions appear exaggerated and taken out of context. Still, that ethnic Russians desire to maintain their culture living in Ukraine is valid with there also ethnic Ukrainians whose first language is Russian. Numerous nations are having to integrate various ethnicities into single countries. It only takes numerically small numbers to create chaos followed by violence.
This is partially a culture war. But the prime mover was Putin whom I sincerely believe has deluded himself about history and peoples not able to accept that over time cultures are modified by other influences - here, the West. Unfortunately he has the weapons that count most. Nukes.
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Erasure is a russian nazi propagandist, an info internet warrior, there is no debate possible with propagandists. Whether she does it pro-bono or she gets paid for her prolific output on anything Ukraine is the only thing to debate here.
Not interested in debate but beliefs from the past - in part - drive this conflict. THREE separate stories exist. One reality - for the story becomes that - accepted by most Ukrainians and one believed by Russians then one delusional one acted out by the militia thugs who wanna play Nazi. Sometimes those realities are created by propaganda, other times by sanitizing the past. Then they clash.
Sorting through the various realities helps get your head around: What in God's name were they thinking?
I agree with your claims, it's my mistake. I will be more careful next time.
Unfortunately, I can't find that link anymore, but here's another one for you. where they say almost the same thing.
it's even cooler here..
(The last video on the page)
One dude from the video, a Moldovan, says about the claims of Ukrainians "если вам что-то не нравится пиздуйте нахуй" (if you don't like something, f*ck you, say thank you for not sleeping with animals. Be, *****, people, not pid * races. Appreciate someone else's law, you are not at home)
Just as I thought. You want anyone to take you seriously, posting dookie from .ru websites? I'm not even clicking it, I don't want to infest my computer with Russian viruses.
The US State Dept, and the UK Foreign Minister's Office, and the French Foreign Ministry, and the foreign offices of other Western nations, are telling their citizens to leave Russia while they still can.
You never know what Putin is going to do next, and if he rounds up Westerners and sends them to work camps or has them shot, he'll just say "Da, it was the Ukrainians who did it! Trying to make Russia look bad!" .... and allllll the Russian stooges here will just parrot that.
Following BP, Shell, and Equinor, Exxon Mobil is now exiting Russian operations. These companies are losing billions of dollars, each, to do this, so it's quite a thing for them to just leave. https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ns-2022-03-01/
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Zelensky negotiated a ceasefire and humanitarian corridors to allow civilians to leave beisieged cities, but the Russian army has been shelling the people anyway. Putin claims that the Ukrainians are shelling themselves!
" 'The Russians are continuing to bomb us and use artillery. It is crazy', Mariupol deputy mayor Serhiy Orlov... Mariupol has been one of the most brutalised cities of war as the Russian have blockaded it and cut off food, water, heating and transport in the depths of water. It has been compared to the Nazi blockade of Leningrad in World War 2."
I think it is hilarious that even the Russian government are backpeddling on the "nazi" accusations.
Instead it is 'nationalists'.
Some of our brain washed users here at CD have completely adopted that change of rhetoric as well.
Oh Dentist. NATO invited a pro-Hitler Nazi to their headquarters before Maiden. They armed them to kill children for 8 years and called the ceasefire 'illegitimate'.
And NATO countries covered for them. I hope you pray to god for forgiveness.
Oh Dentist. NATO invited a pro-Hitler Nazi to their headquarters before Maiden. They armed them to kill children for 8 years and called the ceasefire 'illegitimate'.
And NATO countries covered for them. I hope you pray to god for forgiveness.
Posting Russian and Ukrainian YouTube videos isn’t useful for people like me who don’t speak the languages.
The only pro-Russian YouTube videos are in Russian because the world knows what evil child killing b*stards they are! Real Russians have no access to YouTube (or anything else anymore), all the Russians on here (including those pretending not to be Russians) are Russian 'bots':-
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