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Old 03-19-2014, 11:57 PM
 
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Wrong parallels, because Germans and Czechs are unrelated people
I was referring to the ethnic Germans living in the Sudeten region of Czechoslovakia.

Anyways, thanks for the additional information. I wonder if a modern-day "Anschluss" between Russia and Ukraine is possible.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:01 AM
 
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I was referring to the ethnic Germans living in the Sudeten region of Czechoslovakia.
Yes, I understand.

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Anyways, thanks for the additional information. I wonder if a modern-day "Anschluss" between Russia and Ukraine is possible.
Germans and Austrians would be a much better example in this sense ( speaking about Russians and Ukrainians) than Czechs and Germans.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Germans and Austrians would be a much better example in this sense ( speaking about Russians and Ukrainians) than Czechs and Germans.
You don't seem to understand... Sudetendeutsche were German-speaking folks from Austria-Hungary who ended up in Czechoslovakia after WWI.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:40 AM
 
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The main point I was driving at is that a nation should not let its ethnic minorities get too powerful and influential, especially if concentrated in a certain area of the region. Ukraine allowed this to happen and now it is paying the consequences. Other nations should learn from this historical event.

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Germans and Austrians would be a much better example in this sense ( speaking about Russians and Ukrainians) than Czechs and Germans.
I don't know the general opinions of the citizens from the respective countries, but I remember in history class that Austria was forbidden to unite with Germany because it would create a very powerful German state that would upset the balance of power in Europe...something the British, French, etc. would not like very much.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:41 AM
 
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Yesterday in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

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Old 03-20-2014, 12:41 AM
 
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You don't seem to understand... Sudetendeutsche were German-speaking folks from Austria-Hungary who ended up in Czechoslovakia after WWI.
We are talking about two different things, probably...
All what I meant in this case was that Ukrainians are related to Russians more or less as Austrians are related to Germans, where Czechs and Germans are unrelated people (so not a good parallel when comparing the situation with Ukrainians and Russians.)
That's all.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:45 AM
 
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The main point I was driving at is that a nation should not let its ethnic minorities get too powerful and influential, especially if concentrated in a certain area of the region. Ukraine allowed this to happen and now it is paying the consequences. Other nations should learn from this historical event.
And I've already tried to explain that it was impossible for Ukraine not to "allow this to happen," because Russia and Ukraine used to be one country, and not only Russians were moving to Ukraine, but Ukrainians were moving to Russia as well.

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I don't know the general opinions of the citizens from the respective countries, but I remember in history class that Austria was forbidden to unite with Germany because it would create a very powerful German state that would upset the balance of power in Europe...something the British, French, etc. would not like very much.
But this unification of Russia and Ukraine was precisely one of the factors that were making Russian Empire a big and powerful country.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:53 AM
 
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Yesterday in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

I see.. the nationalists are at it again (Tyagnibok is speaking and then the hell is breaking loose, of course...)
No one should be surprised at what's going on on the streets of Eastern Ukraine, when it's a direct reflection of what's going on in Ukrainian parliament.
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Old 03-20-2014, 01:41 AM
 
Location: Russia
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16.03.2014 Myrgorod in Poltava region. Vasily Tretetskiy (head of the local People's Council) was wounded by shots from a shotgun.



This is a war for power?
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Old 03-20-2014, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Sevastopol
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Unfortunately it is a lie.
Tatars never touched in the Crimea therefore they had no need for legalization.
In Ukraine it costs a lot of money. And Tatars unfortunately aren't among the rich people.
For example our friends built the house (3 floors) and still it didn't legalize because it costs in Kiev now for them 30 thousand dollars...
In the Crimea certainly not such tariffs but after all it is very expensive and inexpedient for Tatars.

Many Tatars live very well. They have multi-storied houses and you can see it when walking in the districts where most Tatars live.


With regard to the land, it was very cheap in the 1990s, it was not expensive about 5 years ago. As for the present, I do not know as I have not taken interest in it. It is very important for everyone living in the Crimean peninsula to legalise the land. And everyone tries to do it. We have special agencies which help in it.

Kiev is not Crimea!

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