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Old 03-19-2014, 05:06 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Originally Posted by KuuKulgur View Post
Turkey will close Bosphorus soon for Russia.
They are already concerned by the first killed Tatar in the Crimea... and it only began.
Except other problems Russians as always will receive also an ekskalation in the conflict to Muslims.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Perhaps if I were the man, who makes the decisions, I wouldn't have made this decision (to annex).

But whyour neighbours haven't done anything to make people in the peninsula feel that the yellow-blue banner is theirs and that the country is their home?
I think that you aren't right here.
You saw what there was the Crimea in 1954 when it "presented" to Ukraine? It was the desert almost. There at all there were no roads...
Really Russians and it will deny?
Ukraine made much for the Crimea. And that that ethnic Russians always didn't love Ukraine and 60 years dreamed to return to structure of Russia is the fact. They were always dissatisfied with any policy of Ukraine.
And now their dream came true.
Only still it is unclear why any Tatar and not one Ukrainian of the Crimea doesn't want to Russia?
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Yes, and our European colleagues here pretend they didn't notice. They prefer to see the sins of one side only.
1 . Unethical behavior of one deputy in relation to the head of a television channel.
2 . 60000 soldiers, 1000 tanks, military intervention, illegal accession of 2000000 people...

What would you see you the first stage?
To you it isn't ridiculous from your justifications, Russians? )
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:23 AM
 
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is unclear why any Tatar and
Yes, but Tatars weren't very satisfied with Kiev government. They prefer it, though.

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Ukraine made much
The typical answer is that it was mostly not during the independence, but when the large united country existed.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Originally Posted by Mac15 View Post
Well on google maps it still shows up as Ukraine and on wikipedia its the same.
The world is not likely to recognize the annexation of Crimea to Russia the nearest future:


According to the West
Left picture: Legitimate power comes in Kiev
Right picture: Russian military lawlessness.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Originally Posted by From Ukraine View Post
It is interesting why you don't draw a parallel between Putin and Hitler.
It would be more pertinent.
Maybe you'll be surprised, but in Russia a lot of talk about it. And that apart from Putin do not other presidential candidates.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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The typical answer is that it was mostly not during the independence, but when the large united country existed.
if to speak about the Crimea after 1954:
1) In the Crimea the industrial enterprises - the Sevastopol sea plant, Kamyshburunsky iron ore combine, Kerch ship-repair plant revived.
2) The new enterprises - anilinokrasochny plant in Armyansk, the Simferopol plant of plastic, the Yalta fish factory were under construction. Absolutely new industries - cement, electronic were created. In 1965 in Simferopol began to release Crimea TVs.
3) Since the beginning of the 70th years in the Crimea irrigated agriculture began to be applied. Handed over by builders in a system the North Crimean channel allowed to irrigate 150 thousand hectares of the droughty earth in 1972.
4) On the basis of the Simferopol teacher's college in 1972 the state university began to function. Experts of the top skills in the Crimea were trained by four other higher educational institutions, experts of average qualification - 26 technical schools and schools. Scientists worked in 40 scientific research design establishments. In area 5 theaters worked
5) The unique ferry between Kerch and the Caucasian coast was open, the trolleybus line between Simferopol and the Southern coast of the Crimea was put into operation. The Simferopol airport connected the peninsula with all capitals of federal republics, the large cities of the country.
6) In the 80th years the second turn North Crimean the channel was under construction, capacities of the enterprises extended. Plants were reconstructed Sevastopol grain and Feodosiysky dairy. The system of the operating included the enterprises - the Simferopol plant of the pneumoequipment, the Simferopol house-building combine, Santekhprom plant, other industrial facilities. It was built 325 new high-performance lines, it is mechanized 146 shops and sites therefore 20 thousand people were exempted from unproductive manual skills
7) Before disintegration of the Soviet Union the sanatorium system of the Crimea totaling 200 sanatoria, rest houses and boarding houses, 150 hotels and bases continued to develop. They were served by the highly skilled personnel. The system of children's sanatoria, summer camps developed also.

After 1991 certainly everything became bad.
But you can't deny that from 1954 to 1991 the Crimea revived as a part of USSR.
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Originally Posted by Maksim_Frolov View Post
The world is not likely to recognize the annexation of Crimea to Russia the nearest future:


According to the West
Left picture: Legitimate power comes in Kiev
Right picture: Russian military lawlessness.
Will suffice already to make laugh people.
Go come to the Field of Mars with the plate "I against war" better.
Then you will write the comment here... from prison: )
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Russia
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After 1991 certainly everything became bad.
But you can't deny that from 1954 to 1991 the Crimea revived as a part of USSR.
Do you ascribe achievements 54-91 years Ukraine? This is ridiculous. This achievement of the Soviet Union and Russia in particular. In '91 Russia could no longer sponsor the union republics and the Soviet Union collapsed.
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:09 AM
 
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Yes, and our European colleagues here pretend they didn't notice. They prefer to see the sins of one side only.
Well I think the same can be said of Mr. Putin and his diatribes against the 'West'....i.e It is YOUR fault! You are the ones who put us into this untenable situation!'. Of course this is to be expected. But I submit all what we are seeing is the absolute rage of one-man digesting the rejection of his way of how countries should work. Here are Russian rejecting him. This wound goes deep my friends. He's cut real bad and now he slashes back. Countries are like people....they lash out when they are hurt.
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