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Russia agreed to supply gas, but Ukraine still has to pay their debt by the end of the year. Ukraine doesn't know even where to get the money. EU definitely won't give them too much.
I heard the Russians agreed to nothing. Maybe this is just a means of blackmail? I think something will be done in the end, it is counter productive for Russia to cut them off. If the Russians did then the Ukies would just take what they needed from what is destined for Europe. The coal situation is bad. I guess the deal with S Africa fell through and it was said Ukr asked Poland to supply coal for free.
Sad thing is the people of Ukraine didn't want this, they'll go cold while the people who caused this will be nice and warm.
Europes caught in the middle here, when are they going to stand up and grow some balls? They know who started this crap both in 2004 and this year.
(Originally it was a mass protest against illegal immigration, yet the subject of economic sanctions against Russia that has hit hard Italian economy has been brought to light as well, and support for new Donetsk Republic has been expressed as well.)
I heard the Russians agreed to nothing. Maybe this is just a means of blackmail?
You got it wrong. The Russians want to do nothing for free. First, Ukraine must discharge of their debt (some part of it) and make a payment for the new gas offtake. Russia even agreed for a discount of $100.00 off per cubic metre. But it looks like Ukraine wants it for free and has no intention to repay their old debt. So, no any blackmail here. Maybe Poland going to supply Ukraine with their coal for free, but Russia won't do the same. Especially, when Ukraine acts very non-amicable itself.
For some reason, Ukraine believes that everyone MUST help 'em. Everyone owes them.
Speaking of blackmail... Ukrainian PM said it's not ruled out that Ukraine will be pumping some gas from the European transit pipeline for the ukrainians needs. So, Europe won't to get the whole amount of their gas because of this thievish actions. Ukraine blackmails Europe to get EU to give them another loan for buying gas from Russia.
You got it wrong. The Russians want to do nothing for free. First, Ukraine must discharge of their debt (some part of it) and make a payment for the new gas offtake. Russia even agreed for a discount of $100.00 off per cubic metre. But it looks like Ukraine wants it for free and has no intention to repay their old debt. So, no any blackmail here. Maybe Poland going to supply Ukraine with their coal for free, but Russia won't do the same. Especially, when Ukraine acts very non-amicable itself.
For some reason, Ukraine believes that everyone MUST help 'em. Everyone owes them. Speaking of blackmail... Ukrainian PM said it's not ruled out that Ukraine will be pumping some gas from the European transit pipeline for the ukrainians needs. So, Europe won't to get the whole amount of their gas because of this thievish actions. Ukraine blackmails Europe to get EU to give them another loan for buying gas from Russia.
Yet I guarantee all anyone will hear is "blame Russia" for Ukraine stealing gas from Europe. Forbid actually hold Ukraine responsible for any of its actions; have they ever been? Everything is always someone else's fault.
It amazes me how the so called capitalistic west, seems to turn a blind eye to the art of capitalism in Russia demanding a price for its product. It is like the West says to Russia "please be capitalist, except when we do not want you to".
All of this mess just because some Ukrainians eventually want visas to get to France to work cleaning hotels.
I wouldn't say troll. It was a test. When someone says anything pro-Russian, nothing happens despite you are digging up fascists under every stone. When someone says anything opposite and the so-called nazi is found, you all get completely hysteric.
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Originally Posted by bartonfly
Hmm, I rly didn't think that you're a nazi Ariete, have you psychological trauma? Destroy russian nation or what you meant? Just haha, do you remember that russians had the chances to destroy your country as well, how old are you Ariete?
No, I am not a nazi. I'm a social liberal. Yes, you tried to destroy our identity, but it ended with our breakoff.
Some Russian media has warned the people not to visit Finland because we are so nazi. If that isn't fearmongering, what is? And a bit insulting as well.
What a shame. Ukrainian army is still shelling Donetsk, civilians die every day and every hour. Today Donetsk was shelled by a tactical missile "Tochka U" ("Point U") that caused a huge damages and casualties. It's like a small A-bomb. UA has used this type of missile before but without so terrible results. And they dare to call donbass home guard terrorists. The main terrorist is sitting in Kiev.
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You are a troll or a fool.
, do you remember that russians had the chances to destroy your country as well, how old are you Ariete?
