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If my recollections of Kiev/Russian history are accurate the Southern Slavs invited Rurik to come to Kiev and rule because the Slavs were fighting among themselves all the time.
Northern Slavs invited Rurik. He ruled in Velikiy Novgorod. South Slavs were captured in Olegs military campaign, who planted on the throne of Kiev Igor (son of Rurik) and moved the capital of Rus in Kiev, because Kiev had a good trade location. Novgorod in the North and Kiev in the South allowed to create a trade route "from the Varangians to the Greeks", which has brings a very large income. Later ancestors Rurik ruled Kiev. Formally, the throne passed to eldest son inherited, but in fact one of the brothers always seized throne by force by civil wars.
Yes. I find it interesting looking at the history that the word 'Rus' supposedly is derived from the Finnish word for Sweden which is 'Ruotsi'. From the looks of it it kind of links the Scandanavians with early Russians under the strong-man Rurik at the time. He apparently did well quelling tribal wars since his descendants ruled on to the 16th century.
There are several theories about the origin of the word "Rus'". But it is clear that Rus' was formed in the North. By the way, the term "Kievan Rus'" appeared only in the 19th century, before that was the term "Rus'", without "Kievan".
"Moderate nationalists," "left of Mari Le Pen," eh?
Just let us know when we'll see something like this on streets of Paris or Marseille.
Did French have a popular revolt in Paris of recent? French had their revolts in 1789, 1830, 1848, 1870, Ukraine had its first bourgeoisie revolution in 2014. It's silly to compare Ukrainian near bloodless revolt of 2014 to the French revolts and terror campaigns that followed, it's even sillier to compare Ukraine to the modern France.
You need to describe in your own words the key differences between ideologies of Zhyrinosky, Dugin, Marie Le Pen, Putin, etc. and that of Pravii Sektor you demonize. Also you need to answer simple question: why do virtually all European Nazis and Neo Nazis support Putin? No cheap propaganda tricks, comrade erasure. I can pull tones of Zyrynovsky videos, Russian Nazi mob assaults on the minorities, Nazi marches, orthodox fascist symbolism, etc., etc., but anybody with u-tube can do that for himself.
BTW, it looks like comrade Putin is about to introduce the brownshirts to the streets of Russia, "informal" thug patrols ferreting out wannabe maidan organizers were introduced to the public, every Russian patriot is ecstatic about how tough on the national treason Fuhrer is. Keep us updated with videos about the exploits of "anti-maidan" thugs, if any will survive. Patriotic group formed to defend Russia against pro-democracy protesters | World news | The Guardian
Regarding that I've come across a reference from a 12th century Kievan chronicler that it was the 'Chuds, Ves, Merians and Krivichians ' who were dealing with Viking raids in their part of northwestern Russia during the early 9th century and eventually managed to drive them away after continually paying much ransom to stop their raiding. But then they started to fight among themselves and asked the Varangians (Scandanavians) and the 'people of the Rus' to 'come and reign'. Rurik then came and set himself up in Novgorod. Woukd this coincide with the Russian view of Rus?
You do not know the history. Emblem of Ukraine - is stylized falcon, emblem Rurik. Rurik - is prince of Great Novgorod, whose descendants conquered Kiev and made it the capital of Rus. I do not know, why Ukrainians believe the main city of Rus is Kiev. Rus was formed in Novgorod.
UPD: And the word "Rus" - is uniquely northern word associated with the Finno-Ugric, Normans (Varangians), or with one of the northern Slavic tribes.
Rus was a warring group/tribe/people that subdued and collected tribute from the mosaic of Slavic, Finno-Ugric, etc. tribes. There is no agreement among the historians on the origin and identity of Rus. A myth about quarreling Slavic tribes inviting varangians to rule over them is just that - a myth. Rus subdued local tribes one by one, they've used already subdued tribes to subdue the next tribe. Later on conquered Slavic tribes adopted the name of their original enslavers. Most likely, the Rus herded the tribes residing around Novgorod to provide some armed peasants for an assault on Kiev, but looks like those guys didn't need much help with the subjugation of the indigenous Slavic etc. tribes, all but a few accepted Rus princes without much resistance recorded in history.
BTW, it looks like comrade Putin is about to introduce the brownshirts to the streets of Russia, "informal" thug patrols ferreting out wannabe maidan organizers were introduced to the public, every Russian patriot is ecstatic about how tough on the national treason Fuhrer is
Y'know maybe it just some people who give a damn about their country and who are not going to let their voices be unheard.
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“It is not acceptable for the minority to force its will upon the majority, as happened in Ukraine,” he added. “Under the slogan of fighting for democracy there is instead total fear, total propaganda, and no freedom.”
This makes a lot of sense to me. Who are some to say how others should live? That's not freedom, that's imposing the views of some onto others. That's oppression which is what is being done in Ukraine every day all over the place. With a 30 second google search you can once again be shot out of the air in a ball of fire Rem.
Examples of oppression in the last year - in Ukraine - abound. Just Look up Oleg Lyashko on youtube.
P.S. And oh - when it comes to Kuban, better do some reading, why it doesn't make sense to "exterminate Russian identity and language" not only in Kuban, but on Donbass as well.
"Don Cossacks (Russian: Донские казаки) are Cossacks who settled along the middle and lower Don. Historically, they have been located within what was the Don Cossack Host (Russian: Всевеликое Войско Донское, Vsevelikoye Voysko Donskoye), which was either an independent or an autonomous democratic republic in the present day Southern Russia and the Donbas region of Ukraine, from the end of the 16th century until 1918. "
This is where historically Donbass belongs, and that's why that "Ukrainian identity" that Ukrainian nationalists are "trying to defend" there ( or rather brutally enforce,) is patently false, as much as those "moderate Ukrainian nationalists" might try.
I just pointed that Ukrainian nationalists don't attack Kuban. Just 100 years ago, (non russified) Ukrainian ethnicity and Ukrainian language reached as far as modern Volgograd, including Kuban, Voronezh, Belgorod, etc.. Essentially Soviets and Russians committed mass Ukrainian ethnocide, linguicide and genocide. There are only 2 millions of mostly russified Ukrainians remain in the Russian Federation, tenfold decrease from 1920, at least. Yet, despite the best russification efforts of the Soviets and Russian authorities a few Ukrainian speakers survive in Kuban', descendants of the Cossacks Catherine II forced out of Ukraine.
There used to be a time when Don Cossacks would be offended at being called "Russians". It took some imperial pacification for them to accept that label. Again, you display a typical privatization of Russian Empire legacy by the Russian ethnic nationalists. Russian empire (mostly Ukrainians + Russians) conquered the lands of the nomadic tartars, including Crimea, both ethnicities settled that land relatively recently in the historical terms, both ethnicities paid heavy price for the imperial conquests, especially Ukrainians. Donbass region was a border land between Don and Ukrainian Cossacks based out of Zaporozhye, in the beginning, neither group of Cossacks identified itself in the ethnic terms. Tsarist regime wiped out Ukrainian Cossacks and tamed/russified Don Cossacks turning them in the chain dogs of Empire, yet Soviet regime wiped out Don Cossacks as a self-replicating, self-containing group. The clowns who claim to be "Don Cossacks" 80 years after soviets dealt with the Cossack nest of counter revolution, are just that, clowns. I could dress myself in a Roman robe and claim to be a lawful heir of Roman empire too.
If my recollections of Kiev/Russian history are accurate the Southern Slavs invited Rurik to come to Kiev and rule because the Slavs were fighting among themselves all the time.
No, not really. Slavic tribes at that point were poorly organized; they lived basically in confederation of city-states, without any particular "central government," so there was no particular need for in-fighting.
The "calling of the "Varangians"" (that's the name under which Vikings were known in Russia,) mentioned by monks in Russian Primary Chronicle, came about because of the Khazars and their constant attacks. (They've severed Novgorod from Oka region, where Novgorod was getting its food supply.) So Slavs and Scandinavians alike who settled earlier on the Lake Ilmen and Novgorod, asked *Varangians* ( i.e. Vikings from Scandinavia) to come and to assume political and military leadership of the land. ( Which they did.)
The fighting between Slavs happened already later in time, when princes of those Scandinavian bloodlines started fighting each other for dominance. ( Must be something in the water in Kiev's area. )
Did French have a popular revolt in Paris of recent? French had their revolts in 1789, 1830, 1848, 1870, Ukraine had its first bourgeoisie revolution in 2014. It's silly to compare Ukrainian near bloodless revolt of 2014 to the French revolts and terror campaigns that followed, it's even sillier to compare Ukraine to the modern France.
You need to describe in your own words the key differences between ideologies of Zhyrinosky, Dugin, Marie Le Pen, Putin, etc. and that of Pravii Sektor you demonize. Also you need to answer simple question: why do virtually all European Nazis and Neo Nazis support Putin? No cheap propaganda tricks, comrade erasure. I can pull tones of Zyrynovsky videos, Russian Nazi mob assaults on the minorities, Nazi marches, orthodox fascist symbolism, etc., etc., but anybody with u-tube can do that for himself.
BTW, it looks like comrade Putin is about to introduce the brownshirts to the streets of Russia, "informal" thug patrols ferreting out wannabe maidan organizers were introduced to the public, every Russian patriot is ecstatic about how tough on the national treason Fuhrer is. Keep us updated with videos about the exploits of "anti-maidan" thugs, if any will survive. Patriotic group formed to defend Russia against pro-democracy protesters | World news | The Guardian
1. It were you who decided to compare Mari Le Pen ( French) with Pravy Sector to begin with.
2. Let's go over it one more time, slowly... Russia ( as Ukraine) has "liberals" (i.e. people who believe in the "endless goodness" of the West ( and Lev Shlossberg whom you've mentioned in one of your posts for example, belongs to this particular category of people,) and Russia has nationalists ( of different shapes and colors, but I won't get into the details here.) However in Russia these two forces never united, where in Ukraine the "liberals" came to power on the backs of the nationalists, supported by their rifles, ( or rather Molotov's cocktails and baseball bats,) and now in return the liberals have to share their power with the nationalists. Not a viable scenario in Russia, not at all.
3. Putin's reaction to Maidan's events plus reaction of general Russian population (that's very much aware of American involvement in these events) was quite predictable. What else did you expect? It all plays in Putin's hands and his consolidation of power rather nicely.
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