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I dont celebrate 9th of May, that is sacrilegious to even watch the dark Russian nazi fest May 9th has become. It is an insult to the memory of the millions of the dead soldiers and civilians to "celebrate" that day, thus celebrating the bestial regime and maniacs whose actions killed more Soviet soldiers than German shells and bullets. The fascist Russian regime adopted 9th of May for propaganda of the Russian imperial nazism forever tainted that day.
Apparently, you cannot grasp this simple concept, so I will spell it out for you. Russian Federation has nothing to do with Odessa, just like Greece, Italy, Turkey. Russian Federation claim that it is one and the only heir of the Empire that ceased to exist 100 years is silly. Russian ethnicity didnt built that empire alone. Odessa people always viewed themselves as cosmopolitan, that is who founded Odessa, people of all races and tribes.
Odessa was founded by the decree of Catherine the Great. Russian Empire has spent a huge amount of resources for the city's founding. It's a fact. All of your reasoning - is emotion. I do not say that Odessa has to be Russian. But let's not rewrite history. Let us not say that Odessa was founded by some cosmopolitans.
And you're mentally ill person, if you do not understand this.
What exactly did you stop? If you call Remembermee ill and sick in the head fine, but then you'd also have to call yourself the same. What exactly did you stop? The extermination of people and forced labour you surely didn't put and end to, you continued with it yourselves. Your deeds were just the prelude and postlude to the nazi methods. Nothing really changed for your neighbors, except the uniform. Hitler=Stalin. Nazi Germany=Communist Russia.
Donetsk mafia who controlled Ukraine for a while was forging a separate Donbass identity to be used for perpetuating hold over the region and the country. Even Yanukovich clan was not stupid to do what you allege. Majority of Eastern Ukrainians are assimilated/russified Ukrainians who've lost their mother language and identity under immense pressure of the Russian/Soviet assimilators. BTW, not LESS than 10% of Donbass people were relatively recent (soviet era) transplants from Western Ukraine, russified as everybody else. Bulk of Donbass people are russified descendants of central Ukrainian peasants. It is always a tragedy when people get assimilated on their soil. Assimilation is a subjugation tool favored by the Russian and soviet empires.
You seem to be under the impression that Ukrainians, ethnic Ukrainians, are one homogeneous group who all think, act, and agree to the same ideology. Fact is they are not, and never have been.
The problem with your thoughts are the same problems those in Kiev have, in that they think everyone should toe the line of the nationalists and anyone who does not is an "outsider". "Russianfied", etc, thus ignored and ostracized from the happenings in Ukraine. Well, that does not get anyone anywhere, other than war, now does it? What makes Ukrainians living in the east any more or less "Ukrainian" than those living in the west? Because the west supports your views?
Ethnic Ukrainians have never been the only group in the present day territory of Ukraine, nor have ethnic Ukrainians ever been one homogeneous group. West Ukraine even more so as it is a post WW2 addition to Ukraine. You state "they are Russianfied" when in fact both Russians and Ukrainians derive from the same tree, so they will have numerous similarities, and their actions are in fact their own cultural traits.
What exactly did you stop? If you call Remembermee ill and sick in the head fine, but then you'd also have to call yourself the same. What exactly did you stop? The extermination of people and forced labour you surely didn't put and end to, you continued with it yourselves. Your deeds were just the prelude and postlude to the nazi methods. Nothing really changed for your neighbors, except the uniform. Hitler=Stalin. Nazi Germany=Communist Russia.
They stopped the concentration camps established by Germany, and stopped the war by defeating Germany.
The worse oppression by the USSR was already over by the time WW2 finished, and Stalin's death a few years later eased the oppression even more so.
You seem to forget there were numerous people in the countries that came under Soviet control that were all for Soviet power and communism. You seem to think the Soviets were the singular source of communist oppression, when in fact numerous people in these countries were all in favor of communism and fully supported the communist system in these countries.
Tell me; how many communist supporters have been prosecuted in former Warsaw Pact countries for crimes directly related to their role being a communist regime supporter? Sure, lots prosecuted for events that happened during the crumbling of communism and events after involving economic crimes, but how many prosecuted solely for things they did in support of the communist regime?
You seem to be under the impression that Ukrainians, ethnic Ukrainians, are one homogeneous group who all think, act, and agree to the same ideology. Fact is they are not, and never have been.
The problem with your thoughts are the same problems those in Kiev have, in that they think everyone should toe the line of the nationalists and anyone who does not is an "outsider". "Russianfied", etc, thus ignored and ostracized from the happenings in Ukraine. Well, that does not get anyone anywhere, other than war, now does it? What makes Ukrainians living in the east any more or less "Ukrainian" than those living in the west? Because the west supports your views?
Ethnic Ukrainians have never been the only group in the present day territory of Ukraine, nor have ethnic Ukrainians ever been one homogeneous group. West Ukraine even more so as it is a post WW2 addition to Ukraine. You state "they are Russianfied" when in fact both Russians and Ukrainians derive from the same tree, so they will have numerous similarities, and their actions are in fact their own cultural traits.
Yet interestingly enough they are pushing the "Western Ukrainian identity" (the provinces that historically have not been part of Ukraine up until the WWII) as the "true Ukrainian identity." Because, apparently, in minds of people like Yatzenuk and Poroshenko it somehow separates them from "Russian identity" and miraculously attach them to the coveted "West."
Funny, really.
What exactly did you stop? If you call Remembermee ill and sick in the head fine, but then you'd also have to call yourself the same. What exactly did you stop? The extermination of people and forced labour you surely didn't put and end to, you continued with it yourselves. Your deeds were just the prelude and postlude to the nazi methods. Nothing really changed for your neighbors, except the uniform. Hitler=Stalin. Nazi Germany=Communist Russia.
Did Stalin burn people on a national basis? If you are putting equality between Stalin and Hitler, between Nazi Germany and the Communists, then you absolutely do not know the history. That is not surprising, because you are actively rewriting it.
Did Stalin burn people on a national basis? If you are putting equality between Stalin and Hitler, between Nazi Germany and the Communists, then you absolutely do not know the history. That is not surprising, because you are actively rewriting it.
Well Balts ( Estonians in particular) were not targeted by Germans for extermination on ethnic basis, however Balts in general suffered as the result of the WWII both of German and Russian invasions. They were the ultimate "collateral damage" in that war, so I understand their perspective, the way they looked at both Russia and Germany after that war.
But that is not to say that I put the equation mark between Hitler and Stalin - not at all.
erasure, [US economical experts deliberately giving bad advice to Yeltsin]
not a "proof", of course. But at least some evidence.
Some mentioning, discussing,examining, pros and cons.
At this point we just have your posts here, I never heard about it elsewhere.
And you present it _as fact_ rather than just a theory, which is also typical.
I think you should at least include an "I think" or such, when you present it.
So, at first sight this looks to me like one of the other crazy conspiracy theories that you
find in internet and I'm not yet very much motivated to research it, read the book or such.
Hitler vs. Stalin -
suppose, by some coincidence/luck Hitler had won - would he still be the bad guy ?
Sure, he aggressively invaded Poland, then Russia, hungered Leningrad killed Jews,
but others did similar things. I think a Hitler could have emerged in many other
countries as well, [at that time, hopefully not so much nowadays]
giving some -almost random- circumstances and developments.
Foreign policy is hard to predict.
Would Russia be better off today, if they had lost WW2 ?
Or would Germany had been better off if they had won ?
Germany had the "German economic miracle" in the 50s,60s
and imagine a Hitler with nukes in the 50s ...
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