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There's also the ruling on the ICJ's ruling on the legality of Kosovo's declaration of independence that supports Crimea's actions. Also, the interim Ukrainian president Turchynov who ordered the Crimea's referendum vote annulled was probably illegally installed by a midnight parliament vote where many of the members from the pro-Russian East were absent. There were also several op-ed pieces in the German papers questioning the legality of the Ukrainian parliament's actions in removing Yanukovynch by bypassing the formal impeachment process.
> as Moscow denies international accusations that it is
> backing pro-Russian separatists with arms and troops in east Ukraine.
this is also tricky wording. Putin means no official arms and troops,
no open command to the military to do so.
But there are these "volunteers" with arms from Russia. And this is the subject
of the quoted "international accusations".
Putin must be aware of this but avoids to talk about it.
It was similar with the troops without uniform that seized Crimea.
So, is Putin lying or is he he just a master of language to avoid the direct
lie while people still think he meant it ?
Well, I remember how he spoke to Ban ki Moon on the telefone shortly after
the intervention in Crimea promising to abide to international law.
2014/03/01
> Putin’s office said he told Ban that if the violence did not cease, Russia “would not be
> able to stay away and would resort to whatever measures are necessary in compliance
> with international law” to protect the Crimea’s Russian-speaking population.
somehow by using armed people that are not official Russian soldiers
you have to wonder where this tricky-language strategy may lead in a 1962-Cuba-like crisis ...
Re: "you have to wonder where this tricky-language strategy may lead in a 1962-Cuba-like crisis"
Perhaps that is why Putin's decision to 'annex' the Crimea and involve itself in cross-border disturbances is a grave turning point between Russia and Europe. Putin's throwing down the gauntlet
suggest he is smoking out European attitudes to the use of force in a modern Europe decades after the end of the the war and Russia's dalliance with communism. They will always ask now what will Russia do and how far does each country go in dealing with some new European realities.
For example, one question is will Russia only be satisfied with the southeast Ukraine. Will it invade Ukraine proper? After reading that some Ukrainians do not believe in specifically fighting against the Russian separatists. Some say they'd rather go to prison and get meals rather than battles. Surely I can't see why Putin would invade then.
Really the current mayhem seems to be very good in continuing the country's destabilization. Why invade and perhaps give the Ukrainians something to really fight about ? So far it looks like he likes where they are now namely not all in one mind to the threats facing the country. His machinations are working. Europe needs to be wary and not to get confused over Putin's machinations whether it be in language or tactical military moves.
> as Moscow denies international accusations that it is
> backing pro-Russian separatists with arms and troops in east Ukraine.
this is also tricky wording. Putin means no official arms and troops,
no open command to the military to do so.
But there are these "volunteers" with arms from Russia. And this is the subject
of the quoted "international accusations".
Putin must be aware of this but avoids to talk about it.
It was similar with the troops without uniform that seized Crimea.
So, is Putin lying or is he he just a master of language to avoid the direct
lie while people still think he meant it ?
Well, I remember how he spoke to Ban ki Moon on the telefone shortly after
the intervention in Crimea promising to abide to international law.
2014/03/01
> Putin’s office said he told Ban that if the violence did not cease, Russia “would not be
> able to stay away and would resort to whatever measures are necessary in compliance
> with international law” to protect the Crimea’s Russian-speaking population.
somehow by using armed people that are not official Russian soldiers
you have to wonder where this tricky-language strategy may lead in a 1962-Cuba-like crisis ...
These are not "volunteers" - they are indeed volunteers. And plenty of them.
You think that Russians go to fight in Ukraine solely because of Putin's command? And that they collect money/goods for Eastern Ukraine "because of Putin?"
This would mean that you don't understand much about this conflict.
If anything, Putin is harshly criticized by many Russians for NOT bringing troops in Ukraine.
The whole Ukraine/Crimea thing is much bigger than about just "Putin."
It's about the stand-up between the US and Russia, it's about ( the way many Russians understand it) the encirclement of Russia by hostile force, it's an attack on the geopolitical interests and continuation of the West politics of the nineties.
P.S. There are quite a few "left"-minded people by the way who go to fight there, while one of their leaders is in fact a political prisoner in Putin's Russia.
but it's the system that encourages them, that makes them proud to be volunteers
and tell others and maybe get better jobs later or praise or pension or honors.
And how do they get the heavy weapons.
but it's the system that encourages them, that makes them proud to be volunteers and tell others and maybe get better jobs later or praise or pension or honors.
No, not necessarily so. For PART of them - ( usually younger guys,) that might be a case. But for many older people it's a case of nationalism and "left ideas." ( Just to let you know, Donbass overall is a blue color region, so the drive there against the oligarchs and capitalism overall is quite strong. Overall Eastern Ukraine was the only place left with such number of Lenin monuments, which is driving Kiev's government nuts.)
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And how do they get the heavy weapons.
Putin could easily stop it, right ?
Yes and no. I am not sure what kind of heavy weapons they get ( don't forget that Eastern Ukraine did have a lot of stockpiles from older times, plus the DNR's people did take a lot of salvage as well.)
So even if Putin (hypothetically speaking ) could have put a stop on it - be that supply of weapons ( whatever weapons that could be,) or the flow of volunteers, he'd be risking his political position. With other words, the support for him ( the kind he enjoys now) would be quickly eroding.
Putin is a thug, and cares nothing for the lives of Russians.
All he has done is hurt his people, impoverish his people and drive away external investment for another decade...
Putin gets to grand stand and be worshipped by the very fools whose children face a bleaker future than ever. well done my Russian friends, you are creating your own dystopian future.
Putin is a thug, and cares nothing for the lives of Russians.
Same as American "economic advisers" that came to Russia in the nineties.
So when Russians have to make a choice between two evils, guess what evil they would choose and for what reasons?
so now we have an independent extra army of volunteers in Russia that acts on nationalism
and left ideas rather than treaties and international law and which may invade other
countries like the Baltic States should they become too much capitalistic or tear down
Lenin monuments ?!
Not stopping these is de facto a war, no matter how tricky Russian language Putin may
choose to describe it.
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well, I shouldn't have said war. More like providing mercenaries or supporting one party
in a war with money or weapons or logistics.
Putin is a thug, and cares nothing for the lives of Russians.
All he has done is hurt his people, impoverish his people and drive away external investment for another decade...
Putin gets to grand stand and be worshipped by the very fools whose children face a bleaker future than ever. well done my Russian friends, you are creating your own dystopian future.
You are clearly delusional; the quality of life under Putin has skyrocketed from the disaster that was Yelstin's reign. It is this reason and this reason alone why Putin enjoys such popular support.
As we seen with the recent economic crisis, there was a run on what? Oh yes, TVs, cars, washing machines, etc. back during the 1990's economic crisis, it was a run on bread, salt, etc. Quite a change...
What is even better is the large number of Ukrainians that have flooded into Russia for economic reasons and to get away from the mobilization that is happening. Funny how you criticize Putin yet are absent of the conditions Kiev has created un Ukraine as their quality of life rapidly disappears.
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