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Old 08-18-2021, 07:54 AM
 
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Trump blasted the former president of Afghanistan

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...0417?piano_t=1

They were wining and dining Congress and the military establishment to keep the war going. Similar to Israel where the foreign aid is used to buy influence in the US.

Russia has put on record Ghani escaping in a helicopter loaded down with the country's Treasury

https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/politi...n-afghanistan/
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Old 08-18-2021, 06:03 PM
 
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Sharp US observers are remarking, half in jest, that the Taliban in only one sitting answered more real questions from US media than POTUS since January.

What this first press conference reveals is how the Taliban are fast absorbing essential P.R. and media lessons from Moscow and Beijing, emphasizing ethnic harmony, the role of women, the role of diplomacy, and deftly defusing in a single move all the hysteria raging across NATOstan.

The next bombshell step in the P.R. wars will be to cut off the lethal, evidence-free Taliban-9/11 connection; afterwards the “terrorist organization” label will disappear, and the Taliban as a political movement will be fully legitimized.

Moscow and Beijing are meticulously stage-managing the Taliban reinsertion in regional and global geopolitics. This means that ultimately the SCO is stage-managing the whole process, applying a consensus reached after a series of ministerial and leaders meetings, leading to a very important summit next month in Dushanbe.

The key player the Taliban are talking to is Zamir Kabulov, Russia’s special presidential envoy for Afghanistan. In yet another debunking of NATOstan narrative, Kabulov confirmed, for instance, “we see no direct threat to our allies in Central Asia. There are no facts proving otherwise.”

The Beltway will be stunned to learn that Zabulov has also revealed, “we have long been in talks with the Taliban on the prospects for development after their capture of power and they have repeatedly confirmed that they have no extraterritorial ambition, they learned the lessons of 2000.” These contacts were established “over the past 7 years.”

Zabulov reveals plenty of nuggets when it comes to Taliban diplomacy: “If we compare the negotiability of colleagues and partners, the Taliban have long seemed to me much more negotiable than the puppet Kabul government. We proceed from the premise that the agreements must be implemented. So far, with regard to the security of the embassy and the security of our allies in Central Asia, the Taliban have respected the agreements.”

Faithful to its adherence to international law, and not the “rules-based international order”, Moscow is always keen to emphasize the responsibility of the UN Security Council: “We must make sure that the new government is ready to behave conditionally, as we say, in a civilized manner. That’s when this point of view becomes common to all, then the procedure [of removing the qualification of the Taliban as a terrorist organization] will begin.”

So while the US/EU/NATO flee Kabul in spasms of self-inflicted panic, Moscow practices – what else – diplomacy. Zabulov: “That we have prepared the ground for a conversation with the new government in Afghanistan in advance is an asset of Russian foreign policy.”

Dmitry Zhirnov, Russia’s ambassador to Afghanistan, is working overtime with the Taliban. He met a senior Taliban security official yesterday. The meeting was “positive, constructive…The Taliban movement has the most friendly; the best policy towards Russia… He arrived alone in one vehicle, with no guards.”

Both Moscow and Beijing have no illusions that the West is already deploying Hybrid War tactics to discredit and destabilize a government that isn’t even formed and hasn’t even started working. No wonder Chinese media is describing Washington as a “strategic rogue.”

What matters is that Russia-China are way ahead of the curve, cultivating parallel inside tracks of diplomatic dialogue with the Taliban. It’s always crucial to remember that Russia harbors 20 million Muslims, and China at least 35 million. These will be called to support the immense project of Afghan reconstruction – and full Eurasia reintegration.

How Russia-China are stage-managing the Taliban | The Vineyard of the Saker
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Old 08-18-2021, 06:51 PM
 
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Ichoro.

As long as a good result comes of it I don't see a problem here.

give them all the help they need, the country needs to remain stable. stability over the next few years is all that matters.
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Old 08-19-2021, 07:19 AM
 
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It's open knowledge that Afghanistan, India, and US were working with staging terrorist groups in Badakshan in Nothern Afghanistan to destabilize China and Central Asia. The governments who kept their embassies open were on the other side of the terrorism proxy war.

What did the Taliban after its victory? It executed former #ISIS head of South Asia & Far East, Abu Omar Khorasani. The Taliban views ISIS as a "deviant" tool of the US-backed former govt and claims the US brought them to #Afghanistan.

https://thecradle.co/Article/news/1168
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Old 08-19-2021, 08:40 AM
 
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It's open knowledge that Afghanistan, India, and US were working with staging terrorist groups in Badakshan in Nothern Afghanistan to destabilize China and Central Asia. The governments who kept their embassies open were on the other side of the terrorism proxy war.

What did the Taliban after its victory? It executed former #ISIS head of South Asia & Far East, Abu Omar Khorasani. The Taliban views ISIS as a "deviant" tool of the US-backed former govt and claims the US brought them to #Afghanistan.

https://thecradle.co/Article/news/1168

It's well known that the US started the cycle of violence in Afghanistan in the late 1970s. Lets not forget that.
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Old 08-19-2021, 11:58 AM
 
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It seems that a resistance is forming. Panshir valley area. Some Massoud guy was begging for arms from the US. Chaos at the airport and in Kabul. Not looking good.

https://youtu.be/DMs8WVN1SLU
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Old 08-19-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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It seems that a resistance is forming. Panshir valley area. Some Massoud guy was begging for arms from the US. Chaos at the airport and in Kabul. Not looking good.

https://youtu.be/DMs8WVN1SLU
This is the son of Ahmad Shah Massoud.

I was digging into all that here, few months ago.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/euro...l#post61413452


(OK, I already saw the confirmation somewhere that Massoud senior was assassinated by Al Qaeda a day before September 11 events took place.)
So one more piece of the puzzle falls in place.)

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Old 08-19-2021, 02:53 PM
 
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It's well known that the US started the cycle of violence in Afghanistan in the late 1970s. Lets not forget that.
They ran an op-ed piece in the Washington Post for another mujahedeen resistance movement backed by the US government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ahmad-massoud/

Taliban need to negotiate a settlement with that group of former government soldiers.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-re...hanistans-army

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Old 08-19-2021, 06:44 PM
 
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They ran an op-ed piece in the Washington Post for another mujahedeen resistance movement backed by the US government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ahmad-massoud/

Taliban need to negotiate a settlement with that group of former government soldiers.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-re...hanistans-army


Interesting tidbit. Of what importance I dare not contemplate but the Taliban stated 2 days ago the Opium trade will be destroyed.

Lets think about that a minute.

There's definitely a resistance forming and it will depend on outside support. That support will depend on the countries around Afghanistan allowing to through their lands though. Iran is not going to allow flights or shipment by rail or road to the country. Nor will Russia or the Tadjiks or Uzbeks. Pakistan is where it will have to be brought in for the most part if it's in quantity. And Pakistan does not want to hinder those people over the mountains. The Chinese.

We will see.
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Old 08-19-2021, 07:58 PM
 
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Interesting tidbit. Of what importance I dare not contemplate but the Taliban stated 2 days ago the Opium trade will be destroyed.

Lets think about that a minute.

There's definitely a resistance forming and it will depend on outside support. That support will depend on the countries around Afghanistan allowing to through their lands though. Iran is not going to allow flights or shipment by rail or road to the country. Nor will Russia or the Tadjiks or Uzbeks. Pakistan is where it will have to be brought in for the most part if it's in quantity. And Pakistan does not want to hinder those people over the mountains. The Chinese.

We will see.

Well, here is the problem with the picture.
Ahmad Massoud ( son of the famous rebel back in the 90ies,) who is asking for the Western support is the graduate of some military school in LONDON.

He is appealing to the ethnic Tadjiks in the area first of all, since that's what his father was, but the rest of Tadjik population across the border ( who'd be able to let supplies through their country, through Tadjikistan,) are the close allies of Putin.

Putin wouldn't be interested to support the British-sponsored rebellion against Taliban needless to say, although Russians were easily negotiating with Massoud Senior back in the 200ies, before he was assassinated.



Yet on another hand, Putin is neither interested in supporting Taliban in its current shape and form, perfectly understanding that it's going to be yet another terrorism -sponsoring regime in Russia's backyard.



And that's why, judging by the tone of Russian news describing the picture coming from Afghanistan, the best way to identify it, is Russia took "wait and see" attitude.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCkp6QANND4


P.S. Quick translation to the news above;

"Along with the Taliban's promises of the amnesty for the former officials, the first news of executions are coming in..
...Thousands of desperate people trying to leave the country were threatened today with the guns..
In-between of shooting, Americans are making selfies..
The Britons are complaining about the excessive brutality of their allies towards the local population
..Afghans that are ready to fight the Taliban are waiting for the Western arms and help..
Today the leader of the Northern Alliance, Massoud Junior sent the letter with request to Washington...
At 0:53 - this is how Afghanistan spent its "Independence day" ( liberation from Great Britain back in 1919)
It's getting more and more difficult for American marins to keep the airport cordoned off from the local population; the Afghan women are begging to let them inside, but marins remain unfazed. At the northern side of the airport they keep the crows in check with the help of tear gas and sound/light grenades. And at this particular point, the only thing that separate the Afghans from the airport id the barbed wire. So the temptation to jump over it is high..
And during the daylight, American soldiers are making selfies in the airfield, in the midst of the chaos, accompanied by the sounds of guns.

According to British journalists, the conflict started arising between the British soldiers and the soldiers of the 82nd brigade of US military force, over excessively brutal treatment of the local population.

Even if you take for example the episode with the people clinging to the military airplane taking off - no one even thought about stopping that plane.

At 2:00 today it became known that one of the people that died inside the chassis unit was the former soccer player of the Afghan national youth team - Zaki Amwari. His body was discovered after the plane has already landed.

Behind the fence of the airport, the desperate people are pleading Americans to take at least children. ( at 2:16.)
Some people get lucky, and if they manage to climb over the fence, they might have a spot on a plane, to head to Qatar for the most part ( that's where the camp for the refugees is - a big hangar with no airconditioner in +45 degrees, and just one lavatory for all.

..The Britons keep on evacuating their own too, they have their own territory at the airport for that.

The Afghans that don't have the necessary paperwork are turned away.

At 2:48; this is the family with five children that just being turned away.

British military are standing at the improvised check points, where they can see the taliban counterparts real close..
3:17- 3:23 Taliban are establishing order by their own methods; women and children are hiding from bullets, but they don't run. Apparently, the talibs are not firing in the air only.

3:31: One of the Talibs is climbing on the vehicle and tries to propagandize in front of people, the other one start simply beating them up with a whip.

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