Who is back in the office? (Boston: cost, moving, education)

[newenglandgal123]

Originally Posted by id77

He's not wrong, though. There are a lot of workers out there whose ideal job is to do as little as is possible to not get fired while getting paid handsomely for it. If they're not micromanaged, they'll do less than they're capable of, or worse. In extreme cases, they become unreachable, silent ghosts.

There's a form of Dunning-Kruger in the workplace where the least competent workers tend to think of themselves as rockstars who are killing it with WFH when in fact they're dragging the rest of their team down. These workers also are suboptimal WFH material and need micromanaged.

The good ones, the above-and-beyond ones, they're fine to WFH, yet you'll find they'll still want hybrid because in-person interactions play a critical role in their getting things done.

I don't know how folks can expect to do as little as possible while getting paid handsomely. Even with WFH, I'm sure companies have ways they can track user activity on laptops and how often they're logged in to company portals, etc.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by id77

He's not wrong, though. There are a lot of workers out there whose ideal job is to do as little as is possible to not get fired while getting paid handsomely for it. If they're not micromanaged, they'll do less than they're capable of, or worse. In extreme cases, they become unreachable, silent ghosts.

There's a form of Dunning-Kruger in the workplace where the least competent workers tend to think of themselves as rockstars who are killing it with WFH when in fact they're dragging the rest of their team down. These workers also are suboptimal WFH material and need micromanaged.

The good ones, the above-and-beyond ones, they're fine to WFH, yet you'll find they'll still want hybrid because in-person interactions play a critical role in their getting things done.

Honestly I don't see many of these employees you're talking about looking to do as little as possible. If anything it seems like TOO many employees are looking to take on more projects and basically take on a whole new role in addition to what they already are doing.

I think the days are gone where people only do the job they were hired for and it probably leads to some burn out. Like I've said before, i see TONs of moms who have left the workforce. There's got to be reasons for that.

[newenglandgal123]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Honestly I don't see many of these employees you're talking about looking to do as little as possible. If anything it seems like TOO many employees are looking to take on more projects and basically take on a whole new role in addition to what they already are doing.

I think the days are gone where people only do the job they were hired for and it probably leads to some burn out. Like I've said before, i see TONs of moms who have left the workforce. There's got to be reasons for that.

Especially where many companies were booming during Covid and now this year it's like the great reset. Many companies have yet to grasp the reality that this now normal but don't want to hear it because of the decrease in sales compared to the last few years so they start really hammering on employees for numbers.

[id77]

Originally Posted by newenglandgal123

I don't know how folks can expect to do as little as possible while getting paid handsomely. Even with WFH, I'm sure companies have ways they can track user activity on laptops and how often they're logged in to company portals, etc.

A 2022 Gallup poll found that over half of the US workforce has already quiet quit.

https://www.gallup.com/workplace/398...ting-real.aspx

It's pretty easy to defeat time/activity trackers, and it's been long established such forms of productivity measurement are unreliable.

[newenglandgal123]

Originally Posted by id77

A 2022 Gallup poll found that over half of the US workforce has already quiet quit.

https://www.gallup.com/workplace/398...ting-real.aspx

It's pretty easy to defeat time/activity trackers, and it's been long established such forms of productivity measurement are unreliable.

I wouldn't know how to defeat a time/activity tracker. How would you know unless you've done it yourself?!

[msRB311]

Over the last 10-15 years companies have eliminated many positions to add to their bottom line. Taking away this jobs creates more work for everyone else. Other people feel that. Many moms I know walked away from good high paying careers because it became impossible for them to do their job and have kids. The costs of daycare/nannies added to that. Even well off people don't want to pay that much for someone else to take care of their kids while the work away for someone else. It isn't good for people's mental health. I truly hope the corporate world makes changes.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by id77

A 2022 Gallup poll found that over half of the US workforce has already quiet quit.

https://www.gallup.com/workplace/398...ting-real.aspx

It's pretty easy to defeat time/activity trackers, and it's been long established such forms of productivity measurement are unreliable.

It sounds like you are part of the problem? Maybe you are the type of co worker or boss who causes people to burn out and quit.

Quiet quitting is a BS term as well. If you're doing your job that ain't quitting.

[id77]

Originally Posted by newenglandgal123

I wouldn't know how to defeat a time/activity tracker. How would you know unless you've done it yourself?!

I work in the cybersecurity field. I make a living of understanding systems, how people try to defeat them, and how to defeat people trying to defeat them.

[newenglandgal123]

Originally Posted by id77

I work in the cybersecurity field. I make a living of understanding systems, how people try to defeat them, and how to defeat people trying to defeat them.

Maybe companies should spend more time and money on retaining good employees rather than figuring out who is using a mouse jiggler to defeat activity trackers!

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by newenglandgal123

Maybe companies should spend more time and money on retaining good employees rather than figuring out who is using a mouse jiggler to defeat activity trackers!

And stop over working people and rewarding the people who are willing to be over worked.