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The way you in particular can help improve the system might start by not telling people they are doomed, in that romantic way so familiar from (white) neo-liberalism, if they are born "poor and black." I work with many young people who are both and who have accomplished great things already.
I work with others who are exactly like their parents, or should I say "parent," as is usually the case, which means blaming everyone in the world rather than taking responsibility for themselves - for starters. Who, like many of the posters here, are not even embarrassed by the fact that they cannot form a single sentence in proper English. The world moves past them and they will always be managed rather than independent.
Look, what the hell is proper English? I have only ever worked in offices and I have a college education. I have, in every single job I've ever had, shaken my head at my superiors' command of the English language. Your perception of proper English is clearly not the key to promotion/success.
I'm also not sure if you know what neo-liberalism is, because I am not an example of it whatsoever.
So your staying instead of TRYING and WORKING HARD to give yourself a good, happy life you should just settle for not making much money and living off the government for the rest of your life?
That's like saying I met someone fell and love but they cheat on me. However I will settle and accept they cheat on me because well at least I found someone to be with. I'm sorry but I disagree with you. You should NEVER just settle in life. My life is hard and isn't a piece of cake either. Everyday I'm trying to progress in life and improve myself. It isn't easy and its a struggle but at least I'm trying.
That is what I'm saying, because that is the system our government has set up. You must be destitute and wait years for assistance, so once you have that assistance, you are not going to give it up. Maybe we need to set the bar higher and say you can get assistance AND work, and you can get assistance AND get an education. If you set the bar too low you are just going to end up with families relying on assistance for generations, and that is where we are.
We are not talking hypothetical. Our welfare system has too many disincentives for getting off welfare, and instead of getting angry at the system, those barely above the line for assistance get angry at those getting assistance. And that is exactly what those who designed the system had in mind because it buys them votes in elections.
Thankyou. i know i am getting eating out alive for that post but just like them, everyone is entitled to their own. A shelter is temp more than nycha and them people can make it cus they lost them homes not jobs and those whom lost there jobs ending up getting higher paid and better one. I feel for them but i have also seen and been in a fire and i didnt get moved directly into nycha and what wasnt lost in the fire was damaged in water. they didnt move me into an Hotel, i got moved into an shelter. and Thankyou Juppiter. this is the first postive post i seen.
Perhaps those people who ended up "getting" better jobs had a better command of the English language.
It gives people a piece of minds as well, Why be cramped in an studio, one or two bedroom with your 3+ Kids?? WHY SHOULD YOU MOVE OUT OF NYC TO MAKE ENDS MEET?? WHOM EVER SAID THAT TO YOU IS STUPID!
The "3+ kids" came from ... where ? Did they just appear with the stork one evening while the person was asleep ? Or are they the result of an irresponsible lifestyle and set of choices. Who in a right mind would elect to give birth to "3+ kids," and why is that my problem ? At the very least, why should anyone who decides to have "3+ kids" be subsidized by anyone ?
Here's a thought - if you can only afford a studio, decide AGAINST giving birth to "3+ kids."
That's the thing. And I do understand just how common this mentality is, unfortunately. The entitlement programs are being rethought precisely because many people realized that they are too often simply working to perpetuate such.
...like I said nobody has given me anything I've eraned it!!
You "eraned" MY tax dollars?
This is what you don't get. You didn't earn anything. Your applications and interviews all lead to you taking advantage of other's hardwork by harvesting our tax dollars. You don't earn other people's tax dollars via social welfare. It's stolen from us by government with the backing of force to be redistributed to you.
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The entitlement programs are being rethought precisely because many people realized that they are too often simply working to perpetuate such.
Do you really think that's why, or is it because the money is simply running out? I personally believe that the powers that be are starting to realize that the social welfare largess of the last 50+ years is quickly coming to an end. I believe that we are seeing a deliberate phasing out which will hopefully pick up steam as the economy continues to stumble.
...Or even better, when the incoming ultra-liberal mayor attempts to give away the farm, the whole house of cards will come down even quicker than the gradual stepping-back we are seeing now.
Do you really think that's why, or is it because the money is simply running out? I personally believe that the powers that be are starting to realize that the social welfare largess of the last 50+ years is quickly coming to an end. I believe that we are seeing a deliberate phasing out which will hopefully pick up steam as the economy continues to stumble.
...Or even better, when the incoming ultra-liberal mayor attempts to give away the farm, the whole house of cards will come down even quicker than the gradual stepping-back we are seeing now.
I actually think it is a combination. The middle and working classes are out of money, or in any case are not faring as well as they had been, which has encouraged people to look around and say ... Hey, wait a minute.
I have been at meetings where people began speaking up suddenly, commenting that "Ms. X" should not have had those four children, and so on. What about "counseling services" and "tutoring support" for my children. I had not seen this before.
I always think of the story I saw on the cover of some news magazine about the end of the Advantage program, boo-hoo and all. The "poster" person was a woman who told her sad story, but as she did so, she had an infant and another small child on her lap, all born during the "crisis" period she discussed in the article ! Who decides to have one and then another child while living in the shelter ? I could not understand why most people did not notice this.
Point is, I think many more people are noticing such things now.
yes I pay lower what's out there but I work full-time nobody gives me nothing....yes, I feel entitled to nycha because I went through the interview process, they did my background check and I qualified. In terms of people doing better in their life, I have a bachelors degree and going for my Masters degree, yes I live in nycha and I guess until I qualify to live there I will be there...like I said nobody has given me anything I've eraned it!!
So "nobody gives you nothing"?
I believe as you just said the government gives you something, called a place to live for a small fee!
Nobody giving you nothing would mean you paying rent yourself 100% in an apartment you got all by yourself.
The very least you could do is acknowledge being given an apartment and be grateful for it.
Whats the size of your apartment?
Oh wait that's right your the lady with a 1 bedroom for you and a 3 year old and that isn't good enough for you and you want a 2 bedroom. How about you go rent a 2 bedroom on your own then....
So "nobody gives you nothing"?
I believe as you just said the government gives you something, called a place to live for a small fee!
Nobody giving you nothing would mean you paying rent yourself 100% in an apartment you got all by yourself.
The very least you could do is acknowledge being given an apartment and be grateful for it.
Whats the size of your apartment?
Oh wait that's right your the lady with a 1 bedroom for you and a 3 year old and that isn't good enough for you and you want a 2 bedroom. How about you go rent a 2 bedroom on your own then....
In the future, NYCHA spots will be entirely given to working- and middle-income people who have experienced a downgrade in earnings, rather than to generational welfare types. The latter are being phased out.
In the future, NYCHA spots will be entirely given to working- and middle-income people who have experienced a downgrade in earnings, rather than to generational welfare types. The latter are being phased out.
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