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Old 12-03-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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Harlem resident, from the responses to a lot of the topics,I can say we are definitely not on the same page. Most of your comments are from a closed minded one sided point of view,however I was talking to sobroguy,not you. I already know your ready to attack me back for this post,however I don't care. i said what I said because I know what I know. Please do not let my user name fool you for one bit. Respond to me all you want,I will not engage any further with you. You enjoy your night

 
Old 12-03-2012, 05:55 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Ask yourself this question. If teh "systemj" wants black/latino kids to fail why do so mnay of us embrace this with enthusiasm by doing EXACTLY what the system wants us to do.

The schools are bad and many do not care. Does this mean that the kids and their parents shouldnt care either? Who loses?"

Not the "system". After all if many black/brown kids dont study thats just fewer kids that their upper middle class white/black/brown kids will have to compete against. And I use the upper middle class black/brown because many from this category formulate excuses for poor kids that they will NEVER tolerate with THEIR own.

EVERY DAY I say this.
I agree with your first sentence in particular.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 05:57 PM
 
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+ Af For example, West African immigrants are Black and they generally do not face lower rates of education or other socioeconomic issues.

Tell you what. At college levels I see many 2nde generation Nigerian kids excelling. Dont see manhy Malian or Senegalese. There are clear disparities in NYC between migrants from Anglophone and Francophone Africa.

Is it not as inaccurate to ignore class WITHIN various immigrant groups rather than painting all AAs as losers and all West Africans as success stories. Clearly a Nigerian whose mother is a nurse and father is an engineer will do better than a kid whose mother cleans offices and lives in NYCHA and is functionally illterate.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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EVERY DAY I say this.
I agree with your first sentence in particular.

Yep. I do agree with an analysis of past racism (and to some degree current racism) and poverty as an explanation. Given these facts I will expect kids from AA and P_R families, on averge to underperform kids from South Asian households.

What I will NOT accept is that it is an excuse for not trying.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 06:00 PM
 
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My parents' house was full of books. They read to me when I was little, bought me books as presents when I was older. They kept asked about my schoolwork, tabs on my homework, and expected reasonably good grades.

Do you think that the parents of the kids on Jersey Shore read to their kids?
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:27 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Do you think that the parents of the kids on Jersey Shore read to their kids?
The difference is that they are not claiming that "conspiracies" are preventing them from obtaining educations or preventing them from reading books.

It is a good comparison actually and could be very telling.

For some reason, people do not understand that all significant revolutions were begun by educated people.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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Why are all Latin Americans grouped together? You have pretty high rates among Colombian, Peruvian, Cuban, Chilean, Argentine, etc and way lower ones among mexicans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, etc.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why are all Latin Americans grouped together? You have pretty high rates among Colombian, Peruvian, Cuban, Chilean, Argentine, etc and way lower ones among mexicans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, etc.
Are there any stats for this?
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:52 PM
 
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The 10 Largest Hispanic Origin Groups: Characteristics, Rankings, Top Counties | Pew Hispanic Center

Click on The profiles of the different groups and it gives college education rates, income, etc. Although this doesn't mention high school dropout rates, it does go to show that certain Hispanic groups bring down the Hispanic average.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 08:22 PM
 
Location: West Harlem
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The 10 Largest Hispanic Origin Groups: Characteristics, Rankings, Top Counties | Pew Hispanic Center

Click on The profiles of the different groups and it gives college education rates, income, etc. Although this doesn't mention high school dropout rates, it does go to show that certain Hispanic groups bring down the Hispanic average.
Why would people find that surprising ?
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