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It's nice being in a position to have lived in two different places and making a comparison. No question about it one can have a much better quality of life once they leave New York especially it's metro area. It's just such a pleasure to be able to buy things that you want and not just out of necessity. Not having to worry that if something breaks you can afford to fix it instead of using a credit card and going into debt. Compared to watching most of your disposable income going to the insatiable demands of New York's state and local governments and the MTA, which are a wholly owned subsidiary of it's public employee's and teachers unions.
Amen. Unless you are a public school teacher or work for the state government, you can't afford to live in NY. Soon, as the private employment sector disappears completely, the only people paying the salaries of state employees will be the employees themselves.
I live in Arizona. There's no welcome mat rolled out for them here. The ones that do stay are mostly in Phoenix and Tucson where the cities are more Liberal .
Thank you. Keep spreading the truth. Most libs don't accept the truth or rational thought, hence the term "dronism." But some will get it when reality will hit them. Unfortunately many are lost forever, or don't care.
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The sad thing to me is that the look of the houses resemble Appalachia. It's unfortunate that as each year passes, the houses get more and more run-down and down-right uninhabitable looking. Shacks.
And really how can you blame people in upstate NY living in shacks. There are no jobs, the weather is a killer and makes everything rot, the property taxes/government perpetual lease fees are so sky-high if you have a job most of your income goes to pay that. Then if you try to fix up your government-leased property, the government raises your assessment and the taxes go even higher. People are so beaten down in upstate NY that everyone/place has the look of Appalachia in the 1930's. Sad.
Liberalism / Progressivism, aka Socialism or Marxism is comprehensive -- economy, culture, policies, immigration, law, religion -- assault is comprehensive, and fully transformative. No wonder Democrats love the term "comprehensive."
NYS is a perfect example of a one-party states that invariably end in history's dust-bins.
States (Texas, AZ, etc) cannot override Federal Govt. SCOTUS ruled that Feds have plenary power. "Plenary" means "whole", "exclusive" "no one else has any power."
TX, AZ are fighting this via anti-illegal policies, vs California for example. That's why many illegals leave border states and flock to Welfare states and cities -- NYC and NYS for example.
But crossing the border on-foot is only one way of entering illegally. About 40% of visa-holders overstay their visas. They come via airports mostly. NYS (NYC) for example is a major port of entry. Especially for Middle-East legal visitors, who become illegal aliens by overstaying their visas.
Two differences.
First, in the past there have been a lot more Europeans entering NY. European cultures have a lot more in common to American culture than Latin or Eastern cultures. Europeans (especially Western Europe) also represent more developed civilizations than the others. I could care less for PC here, but that's the truth.
Non-European societies have not gone through reformation / emancipation. Many societies whose members who import are still backward 7th century societies who still consider women property along with donkeys and goats. Or being gay is a sin punishable by death.
Secondly, now, as opposed to the past, we no longer insist that immigrants leave their mindset behind, and now become Americans, regardless of their skin color, religion. Now we do not assimilate. Most immigrants are racists, and they stay within their ethnic sect. We're no longer the melting pot.
In their platform liberals also employ "Divide at Impera" (Divide and Rule) strategy. So non-assimilation is a policy.
Interesting.....One could argue that this country is more of a pluralistic society than a melting pot.
Also, why would those immigrants at the southern border come all the way to NY, when CA is right there and would put up minimal resistance? Many are going to UT, CO, NV and even parts of WY, OR, ID, WA and MT.
Another thing is that many International students of various background may stay after their Visas expire. You also have to look at the Canadian border, as you may/could get immigrants coming through that border.
Again, what do we do about Catholic Charities?
As long as immigrants come in legally and speak English, even if they retain their culture, is that going to be OK? Were Italians and Polish, among other Southern and Eastern European ethnic groups European enough? It seems like for any group, after a generation or two, most are generally assimilated.
What about the fact that the most educated immigrants are African and Asian immigrants and in that order?
The sad thing to me is that the look of the houses resemble Appalachia. It's unfortunate that as each year passes, the houses get more and more run-down and down-right uninhabitable looking. Shacks.
And really how can you blame people in upstate NY living in shacks. There are no jobs, the weather is a killer and makes everything rot, the property taxes/government perpetual lease fees are so sky-high if you have a job most of your income goes to pay that. Then if you try to fix up your government-leased property, the government raises your assessment and the taxes go even higher. People are so beaten down in upstate NY that everyone/place has the look of Appalachia in the 1930's. Sad.
This could be picked apart for so many untruths from every part of Upstate looking like Appalachia to the weather aspect.
This could be picked apart for so many untruths from every part of Upstate looking like Appalachia to the weather aspect.
Go ahead and do it I won't stop you. It's my opinion from living here and actually seeing what this place looks like. You do what you need to do to refute it, it won't change my opinion one wit.
Go ahead and do it I won't stop you. It's my opinion from living here and actually seeing what this place looks like. You do what you need to do to refute it, it won't change my opinion one wit.
Of course you can have your opinion, but it doesn't mean that it can't be refuted. For instance, if it is a matter of weather, then why are there areas with servere or bad winter weather growing such as the Twin Cities, Denver, Salt Lake City, Omaha, etc?
I wouldn't call places such as Skaneateles, Cazenovia, Clinton, Hamilton and many small towns or even select city neighborhoods anything thing close to "Appalachia".
Amen. Unless you are a public school teacher or work for the state government, you can't afford to live in NY. Soon, as the private employment sector disappears completely, the only people paying the salaries of state employees will be the employees themselves.
It really makes my day that so many who have posted on this forum are "getting it". Unfortunately when these people retire and can't afford to live in New York because of all the damage they've done they move elsewhere on their nice fat pensions courtesy of New York's remaining taxpayers. Then they have the nerve to complain about where they moved to. I don't blame the employees themselves, after all everyone wants to do better. I blame New York's criminal state and local governments who have been complicit in all of this.
New York's not alone in this problem, we have almost the same out here. However, our property taxes are about 1/10th of what we were paying out there and we're living in a nicer house and a much better neighborhood to boot. All things considered, our living expenses are around $17,000 less than they were out there.
Thank you. Keep spreading the truth. Most libs don't accept the truth or rational thought, hence the term "dronism." But some will get it when reality will hit them. Unfortunately many are lost forever, or don't care.
Liberalism / Progressivism, aka Socialism or Marxism is comprehensive -- economy, culture, policies, immigration, law, religion -- assault is comprehensive, and fully transformative. No wonder Democrats love the term "comprehensive."
NYS is a perfect example of a one-party states that invariably end in history's dust-bins.
Oh I will, you can be assured of that! I've made it my mission in life to fight Progressivism wherever it rears it's ugly head. I'm guessing that you're probably doing the same.
Also, why would those immigrants at the southern border come all the way to NY, when CA is right there and would put up minimal resistance? Many are going to UT, CO, NV and even parts of WY, OR, ID, WA and MT.
California has taken the lion-share of Southern Border illegals. But people tend to go where their families and relatives are settled. So they attract each-other, provide initial shelter, job opportunities, show them the "ropes", how to get benefits / freebies.
Welfare state is a huge draw, understandably. Each illegal immigrant family represent a $ 14k deficit. It means they take $ 14k more in freebies than they pay in taxes.
Not sure about ID, WY and other Mountain States, but I know that population increase in Utah is attributed mostly to high birth rates of citizens.
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Again, what do we do about Catholic Charities?
Not sure, that's why I didn't respond.
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As long as immigrants come in legally and speak English, even if they retain their culture, is that going to be OK?
Language although an important pillar is not enough.
In order to be a "melting pot" ("pluralistic" to me has a politican connotation, while "melting pot" has a cultural, civil society connotation), in order for these new members to assimilate in our civil society they need to change their mindset, emancipate, embrace Americanism and yes, leave behind many of the home-country values.
They need leave behind racism, discrimination based on national origin, skin color, sex or sexual orientation, intolerance, group-think, political-correctness, love of Govt, idolatry of a king or religious figure -- if you cling to these values, stay in the hell-hole you are.
Members of uncivil societies need to emancipate first. The come from tyrannical regimes. They need to understand that Tyranny is unacceptable here. Class does not determine your fate in life. Constitution, rule-of-law, limited Govt, civil liberties, civil society with self-governance, personal responsibility, initiative, charity, self-reliance, local control, decentralized power, becoming a productive member, not a "taker" -- all these American values they need to learn and live-by.
Schools do a bad job, because Progressives run the schools, and they don't want these American values. Welfare has destroyed the work component. Work is the source of all good things. We lose this, we've lost most.
California has taken the lion-share of Southern Border illegals. But people tend to go where their families and relatives are settled. So they attract each-other, provide initial shelter, job opportunities, show them the "ropes", how to get benefits / freebies.
Welfare state is a huge draw, understandably. Each illegal immigrant family represent a $ 14k deficit. It means they take $ 14k more in freebies than they pay in taxes.
Not sure about ID, WY and other Mountain States, but I know that population increase in Utah is attributed mostly to high birth rates of citizens.
Not sure, that's why I didn't respond.
Language although an important pillar is not enough.
In order to be a "melting pot" ("pluralistic" to me has a politican connotation, while "melting pot" has a cultural, civil society connotation), in order for these new members to assimilate in our civil society they need to change their mindset, emancipate, embrace Americanism and yes, leave behind many of the home-country values.
They need leave behind racism, discrimination based on national origin, skin color, sex or sexual orientation, intolerance, group-think, political-correctness, love of Govt, idolatry of a king or religious figure -- if you cling to these values, stay in the hell-hole you are.
Members of uncivil societies need to emancipate first. The come from tyrannical regimes. They need to understand that Tyranny is unacceptable here. Class does not determine your fate in life. Constitution, rule-of-law, limited Govt, civil liberties, civil society with self-governance, personal responsibility, initiative, charity, self-reliance, local control, decentralized power, becoming a productive member, not a "taker" -- all these American values they need to learn and live-by.
Schools do a bad job, because Progressives run the schools, and they don't want these American values. Welfare has destroyed the work component. Work is the source of all good things. We lose this, we've lost most.
I'll just respond to this and then leave this alone. Pluralistic just means that a country has a variety of cultures within it. We have to be honest in terms of the fact that this country has cultural differences within it and if this country were to be a true melting pot, we wouldn't have a socio-historical aspect of where particular groups were left out and shared input would be valued to the utmost in all facets of life.
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