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Old 02-07-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Macao
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I wonder how Hong Kong manages things? Aren't they about as densely populated as Kakaako is gonna be?
Trains, buses, everywhere. Cars often use highways that go underground, bypassing much of the traffic. Most of HK is highly walkable.

Honolulu and much of the U.S., really wastes a lot of space. HK/Japan/Asia manages space incredibly well.

 
Old 02-07-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Trains, buses, everywhere. Cars often use highways that go underground, bypassing much of the traffic. Most of HK is highly walkable.

Honolulu and much of the U.S., really wastes a lot of space. HK/Japan/Asia manages space incredibly well.

This. I found Hong Kong very easy to navigate as a pedestrian. I found the transportation fast and efficient.
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Old 02-07-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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Then you wouldn't move to areas like Manhattan, San Francisco, or possibly Kakaako. All allow cars but discourage the ownership by lack of parking and high fees.

I find "walking" communities very appealing, and I like the sense of community it develops, but I won't live without the freedom of a car.
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Old 02-07-2015, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Then you wouldn't move to areas like Manhattan, San Francisco, or possibly Kakaako. All allow cars but discourage the ownership by lack of parking and high fees.
While I agree about Manhattan - having lived in SF for 13 years, I can't imagine not having a car there. While a SF micro-community might be walkable - a car is a necessity for most. And those high-rises in Kakaako are all going to have plenty of parking for the residents.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 06:18 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Obviously you haven't been to Hong Kong, from which - Honolulu can learn a lot, especially from the architecture and public transportation.

Hong Kong is substantially smaller than Oahu, 400 square miles versus 600 square miles - yet has a population of about 7,000,000 versus less than a million on Oahu. That means about 18,000 people live in every square mile of Hong Kong versus about 1,600 on Oahu.

About 90% of the population use public transportation on Hong Kong.
I hear you but you forget that in order to live like Hong Kong, i imagine people in hong kong prob think really differently then people do in the west regarding material goods, how they treat each other and customs? I just don't see Oahu being a favorable place to live if 7,000,000 were living there and i would imagine the property market would go bust too? I just don't think most would be able to adapt to the changes.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 06:31 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Then you wouldn't move to areas like Manhattan, San Francisco, or possibly Kakaako. All allow cars but discourage the ownership by lack of parking and high fees.

I find "walking" communities very appealing, and I like the sense of community it develops, but I won't live without the freedom of a car.
+1 it wouldn't let me rep you. When i lived on Oahu i walked to 80% of the places i went to. I used to walk from kapahulu to ala moana shopping center and back everyother day. But then again i wasn't in a hurry. I really miss the take your time and smell the roses pace of life Oahu used to have. Lol its funny because i was just talking to my mother a few days ago who mentioned how her employers would let there employees take a Siesta + the normal legal breaks during a work day. Things have changed.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Did you ever walk to Dillingham or Waimea or Shark's Cove, or Hanauma, or Pokai?
Nope longest trek was waipahu and aiea. But that was the cool thing about "da bus" it took you all over the island for about .25

Anyway i didn't get the chance to say welcome to CDF Hawaii and E komo mai

So how far back do you go in Hawaii brah or how long you live?

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Old 02-07-2015, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Macao
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Just today, we drove about 5 miles N. to the Filipino store for grindz, then to Leslie's for pool supplies, and then to Sports Chalet for some exercise equip. Now about 7 miles in the opposite direction to our Place of Business. Later to Costco, another Sports Chalet, and the Post Office, and then Home Depot for some Potting Soil and bark chip mulch.

The concept of living life subject to the whims of, and dependent on, others for something as basic as transport is, for us, a non-starter. It is so absolutely limiting as to be beyond useless.
Well, as a person who has lived in Asia for a couple decades. One of the beautiful things about it, is you can step outside your front door, and have all of those things within a short walk away, and you'd be back in your home within an hour. I'd imagine if you had to drive around to all of those places, you probably spent double the time just driving to parking spaces and having to walk through parking lots.

I find quality of life goes up by quantum leaps, when you have everything just out your front door. When I get to car-dependent parts of the U.S., I find it quite inefficient to have to jump in a car, just to get a newspaper or a soda.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Nope longest trek was waipahu and aiea. But that was the cool thing about "da bus" it took you all over the island for about .25
It's is called The Bus. If you've been here the past 40 years you would know that.
 
Old 02-07-2015, 09:34 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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It's is called The Bus. If you've been here the past 40 years you would know that.
So are you now admitting that Hawaii has a unique culture now? That only those who live there currently know truth?
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