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Old 10-18-2010, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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yes there is proof for that. The number one goal of any living thing is to reproduce. You can't do that if you're not heterosexual. I'm not talking about asexual insects either.
No, the #1 goal is self-preservation. There are plenty of heterosexuals who are not at all interested in having progeny. There are even some not particularly interested in sex.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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Read my post again, I am tired of seeing people using "Science" to try and win and arguement when "Science" does not exist in this instance.
You're correct to a point. There is no unequivocal scientific "proof" that human homosexuality is absolutely determined by birth.

However, much scientific evidences exists that certainly points to that conclusion. More specifically, the evidence indicates a multigenetic basis heavily reliant upon environmental influences - primary among them hormonal exposure in the womb (similar to other complex, believed to be multigenetic traits such as handedness, juvenile diabetes, etc).
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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If human beings were not heterosexual from birth our species would die off. So yes there is PROOF people are born heterosexual.
Sorry, but that doesn't prove that people are born heterosexual. Ask any scientist. You don't need 100% heterosexuality in order for a species to survive.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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No, the #1 goal is self-preservation. There are plenty of heterosexuals who are not at all interested in having progeny. There are even some not particularly interested in sex.
Wrong. Nature's number 1 goal is SPECIES PRESERVATION. Do you know how to go about ensuring that? Yep, you guessed it. REPRODUCTION! Tell me one species on the planet that is not interested in reproduction and I will point out that same species on the extinct chart.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:06 PM
 
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Well heterosexuals keep having homosexual babies so I guess that is also 'species preservation'
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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Sorry, but that doesn't prove that people are born heterosexual. Ask any scientist. You don't need 100% heterosexuality in order for a species to survive.
Ask any scientist eh? I seriously doubt you've asked any scientist anything in your entire life. Homosexuality is detrimental to a species when it reaches high percentages. But it has never happened. That's why it is not natural. If it was natural, there would be a way for homosexuals to reproduce, but.... There isn't. So if there is no way for a homosexual to reproduce, please tell me how homosexuality is healthy for a species.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Wrong. Nature's number 1 goal is SPECIES PRESERVATION. Do you know how to go about ensuring that? Yep, you guessed it. REPRODUCTION! Tell me one species on the planet that is not interested in reproduction and I will point out that same species on the extinct chart.
Homosexuals are not engaging in sex-play because they have an innate need to reproduce. It's a neutral condition. They can only reproduce with someone of the opposite sex.

There is no proof that homosexuality or heterosexuality is something you're born with.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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No, there's no proof, but there is growing evidence that suggests sexual orientation is determined in the womb. At the very least, the consensus is that it's determined for most people by a very young age.
Um, yeah. That's what I was linking to but you flat out rejected that. Erik Erikson Stages of Development
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Adolescence: 12 to 18 Years

Ego Development Outcome: Identity vs. Role Confusion

Basic Strengths: Devotion and Fidelity

Up to this stage, according to Erikson, development mostly depends upon what is done to us. From here on out, development depends primarily upon what we do. And while adolescence is a stage at which we are neither a child nor an adult, life is definitely getting more complex as we attempt to find our own identity, struggle with social interactions, and grapple with moral issues.

Our task is to discover who we are as individuals separate from our family of origin and as members of a wider society. Unfortunately for those around us, in this process many of us go into a period of withdrawing from responsibilities, which Erikson called a "moratorium." And if we are unsuccessful in navigating this stage, we will experience role confusion and upheaval.

A significant task for us is to establish a philosophy of life and in this process we tend to think in terms of ideals, which are conflict free, rather than reality, which is not. The problem is that we don't have much experience and find it easy to substitute ideals for experience. However, we can also develop strong devotion to friends and causes.

It is no surprise that our most significant relationships are with peer groups.


It is true that Erikson wrote that several decades ago but, if anything, it is more true today that ever. It is just that it probably occurs earlier today, with the greater exposure to sexuality by young people. Probably today it is much closer to 12 than it is to 18.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:10 PM
 
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Well heterosexuals keep having homosexual babies so I guess that is also 'species preservation'
I would say that they are "creating" homosexual children by the way they treat them and raise them. I've seen this in effect personally.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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Wrong. Nature's number 1 goal is SPECIES PRESERVATION. Do you know how to go about ensuring that? Yep, you guessed it. REPRODUCTION! Tell me one species on the planet that is not interested in reproduction and I will point out that same species on the extinct chart.
Your "proof" is ridiculous (it's just you saying so), and you have a very naive understanding of biology - especially population and evolutionary genetics.

Essentially every animal species has a non-reproductive segment (often homosexual - especially in birds and mammals). There are many theories that explain why such a trait would be beneficiary and selected for within a population, as well as several concrete example that show how homosexuality DIRECTLY BENEFITS the propagation of a species.
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