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Maybe you specifically didn't say that, but you're implying that I have no clue about the African-American community. How violent are people that are avid listeners of Mos Def in comparison to Gucci Mane's? Maybe my thoughts are in the wrong place, maybe his music just fits the inner-youth demographic better for they can relate more, but I'm not retracting my statement that he can heighten a situation.
Fair point. However, not all blacks have knowledge about the black community. Not saying that you don't, but many don't.
Mos Def and Gucci would be more of a geographical argument.
I guarantee you that the average Brooklyn thug would prefer Mos Def over Gucci. Obviously in the south, the tables turn. Hip hop IS largely a geographical genre.
Fair point. However, not all blacks have knowledge about the black community. Not saying that you don't, but many don't.
Mos Def and Gucci would be more of a geographical argument.
I guarantee you that the average Brooklyn thug would prefer Mos Def over Gucci. Obviously in the south, the tables turn. Hip hop IS largely a geographical genre.
Very good point. Cosigned.
The southern stuff seems to be spreading outside of its own geographical boundaries more these days however. Anecdotal observation.
Can you tell me why rural blacks kill other rural blacks?
Can you tell me why rural and urban whites kill whites?
Can you tell me why Indians on a reservation murder each other?
I could go on and on.
But yea...Gucci Mane is glorified in the black community. He just got an NAACP Lifetime Achievement award last night.
These threads...LMAO..internet posters that can't rise above burger flipper at work are now experts in sociology and criminality.
Then you imply that I'm just a burger flipper, seriously man? I could be out in the streets doing absolutely nothing with my life, but instead a 21 year old on this site. I attended GWU for political science, hence why I'm a avid poster on this particular portion of the forum. And another thing, I've never had a burger flipping job a day in my life, I've worked for Target, I've done newspaper routes, and now I'm at a consultant office. So you don't have the authority to essentially say I'm nothing aside from a burger flipper.
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Fair point. However, not all blacks have knowledge about the black community. Not saying that you don't, but many don't.
Mos Def and Gucci would be more of a geographical argument.
I guarantee you that the average Brooklyn thug would prefer Mos Def over Gucci. Obviously in the south, the tables turn. Hip hop IS largely a geographical genre.
In any case, we simply disagree.
I can agree with you on this, but as SamBarrow said its spreading. Maybe not Gucci Mane's music, but the southern music scene. New York rappers are now having songs with similar bass to southern rappers, and not too much lyrical content which is generally a trait of southern hip hop. I mean, the influence of hip-hop in general isn't limited to violence nor political activism (fairly limited to lyricist such as Tupac, Mos Def, Lupe, Etc) but also how woman are viewing themselves. I've seen woman call themselves '*******' a lot more in comparison to the past, the drive to do better just seems like it isn't there in inner-city communities.
Violent criminals are obviously illogical enough to do engage in high risk activities that get them locked up in the first place. If they were capable of critical analysis as it pertained to their own actions they would in many cases not wind up in such situations.
I'll take their opinions into account, but you implied that we should just ask them and lay it to rest, as if they had all the answers. They don't. They have absolutely no psychological or sociological education or experience and therefore are not equipped for any type of truly comprehensive analysis on the level of trained professionals of themselves, much less society in general. That's absurd.
This is even more true when you look at the more subtle forms of influence.
Show me a damaged person and chances are I'll show you someone who is angry and has no idea why.
Listeners. I thought that much was obvious.
Hypothetically it could be. Not that I have a team of surveyors. But I'll bet you that people who listen to modern rap crap are generally more violent than people who listen to classical. We all know it.
I'll argue causation once this is established.
Well what if I could prove that these same people also ate more collard greens than the listeners of classical? Lol...and I'm sure I could.
Then you imply that I'm just a burger flipper, seriously man? I could be out in the streets doing absolutely nothing with my life, but instead a 21 year old on this site. I attended GWU for political science, hence why I'm a avid poster on this particular portion of the forum. And another thing, I've never had a burger flipping job a day in my life, I've worked for Target, I've done newspaper routes, and now I'm at a consultant office. So you don't have the authority to essentially say I'm nothing aside from a burger flipper.
Calm down. That's my style when I'm annoyed. Besides, I'm sure you've made it up to the fryer by now.
Well what if I could prove that these same people also ate more collard greens than the listeners of classical? Lol...and I'm sure I could.
I don't know...I'm highly skeptical.
I'm sure you could. And you could make the argument that collars greens cause crime. Of course, you'd lose, because that's retarded, but the correlation is there and sets the stage for further discussion.
So once we establish correlation between violent music and violence, we move on. Is it a cause? I still say not in any substantial way, but arguments could be made that it does have some effect.
One word: music. A lot of music of negativity is found in inner-cities, which promotes violence. For instance, although I have a extremely diverse taste in music, when I drive I typically listen to dumb hip-hop as opposed to intelligent hip-hop. I'm sure most of you haven't heard of Gucci Mane (fairly unintelligent rapper), he is only glorified within the black community in particular because of three things:
1.) He's a confirmed murderer.
2.) He's a confirmed drug dealer, his rank is possibly as high as a drug lord for all we know.
3.) He's crazy; probably mentally insane, seriously.
To the inner-city youth, that type of like style is what they may inspire to have. So to prove that they have it, they kill, sell drugs, etc in order to put fear in others. Of course other elements play a role in this as well, but music definitely plays a huge role in the increased murders among my fellow African-Americans.
For a race that only makes up about 13% of the US, most of the murders are coming from us. So what I'm saying is negativity, at least over the last few decades, has been glorified.
What do you guys think of what I'm saying? If any of you are racists (yes, there are a few racist people on C-D) please don't comment on this thread.
The music is just a symptom of a sick culture it's not the cause but you're right what passes for inner city Black culture is negative, regressive and deadly.
We couldn't do this back when I was in grade school and that was back in the 80's. The punishment was lighter back then though. I remember missing recess for a whole week because I made the "slicing of the throat" gesture in class. I'd gotten it from my older brother, who used to do it to me behind my mom's back when I'd gotten him in trouble
“Gang violence was here before rap music,” said David Banner, a rapper who records for Universal Music and whose real name is Levell Crump. “I can admit that there are some problems in hip-hop, but it is only a reflection of what is taking place in our society. Hip-hop is sick because America is sick.”
I believe hip hop is only an outreach to America to tell about the greater problems that a lot of black people face.
If I could just edit my OP, I'd say that do you believe hip-hop has any influence on inner-city youth when it comes to progression (or even regression), violence, and the way young men and women are viewing themselves? Music doesn't cause violence, that's true but it can influence one to have a violent mentality for they aspire to be as the music is. Like, if I never listened to the Beatles or more particularly George Harrison I may have been a bit more wild than I am today. His spiritual tunes enlightened me to seek to calm my soul, a hip-hop artist (not all hip-hop artist, but those who glorify a negative lifestyle) who has violent songs may entice one (particularly inner-city youth) to do more violence because that individual believes that's the lifestyle they want to live. A life full of woman, weed, guns, etc. and while the musician may not tell them specifically to do the latter, it definetely can influence them to do it. I think that's a more agreeable post in comparison to the first.
I believe hip hop is only an outreach to America to tell about the greater problems that a lot of black people face.
Agreed. Hip-hop is a reflection of society and I'm for that, but when it comes to a musician glorying violence or showing that there's not reaction for a action, it becomes really sick music. Imagine hearing a line that says this:
"Cut your damn head off, send it to your mom"
How can that be a reflection of society? It doesn't show consequence, which is a real life thing.
I'd rather hear:
"Cut your damn head off, now I'm stuck behind bars"
Know what I'm saying? I had a friend killed a few years back for such a simple fight, the guy that shot him probably didn't think of the consequences before doing it. I can only imagine that peer pressure was also apart of him shooting my friend.
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