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I knew real gang-members and they didn't respect Lil Wayne nearly as much as Gucci Mane. Jeezy is a different story, people still listen to him and he's a bit more relevant in comparison to Gucci Mane nonetheless he still doesn't get much respect as Gucci Mane. But all this is from my experience in Baltimore, and NC.
I'm not sure where you live, so maybe its different where you are but in NC what I said was true. And in high-school most of the people that seemed to do terrible in school, we're those who believed Gucci Mane was better than Nas. Just saying. Any time I did hang around the projects, they weren't listening to Lil Wayne; maybe the girls were but the dudes weren't.
Probably because most sane people know that Weezy is only a gangster in his imagination. That's why the majority of his songs now are chick songs or riding songs, meaning the lyrics are usually about a girl, eating a girl out, sleeping with a girl, a girl stripping, and they have nice beats that sound good in a car if you have the right system. I'm not a fan of his but I'll admit I like the beat of the songs that are getting airplay right now.
Anyone who thinks that Gucci is better than Nas has a hole in their head where their brain should be. I don't even know how you can compare the two.
No, it's not good enough. There's no honor in the whole "disrespect me or my crew and I'll **** you up". It's pure tribal mentality.
Then why do men sing about and die for that honor across cultures and countries? Every man thinks with tribal mentality. Whether his tribe is his immediate clan, his immediate friends, or his country. How many men join the army when they feel their country's honor is disrespected?
And that's why Stan by Eminem is a far cry from most of the garbage you hear from people like Wayne or Gucci.
Stan by Eminem does provide context. And this is not some type of coincidence or accident that is somehow left out of other songs because of time constraints. It is deliberate. How can you even compare that?
None of Eminem's music, at least of what I have heard, glorifies senseless violence without any moral context.
I didn't say it made it less violent. I said it wasn't as bad due to context. Were she a drug dealer shooting people in order to steal their drugs, that would be worse. Were she avenging the death of her poodle, that would be better.
You're trying to paint me into a corner here. I never said violence was always bad. A movie about fighting Nazis in WWII would be more appropriate and less of a negative influence than a movie glorifying the adventures of a crackhead who shoots school children in order to steal their lunch money so he can buy crack.
Extreme examples? Yes. But tone that crackhead movie down ever so slightly and you probably get something resembling Gucci Mane's last CD.
I'm not trying to paint you into anything. The poster said music should have consequences because of the violence and so I asked what about the violence in other forms of entertainment, such as books and movies.
Violence is violence is violence. To say "oh well seeing Vivica Fox get stabbed in the kitchen in front of her child isn't as bad because earlier we saw that she shot Uma Thurman with a machine gun" is silly.
That's like saying "rap is horrible because it glorifies selling and using drugs" but then thinking movies like Friday, How High or Harold & Kumar are hysterical.
Getting high and searching for White Castle is okay because of the context but 50 cent saying he's high all the time in a song is bad because we don't know why he's high. He's influencing the children!
Probably because most sane people know that Weezy is only a gangster in his imagination. That's why the majority of his songs now are chick songs or riding songs, meaning the lyrics are usually about a girl, eating a girl out, sleeping with a girl, a girl stripping, and they have nice beats that sound good in a car if you have the right system. I'm not a fan of his but I'll admit I like the beat of the songs that are getting airplay right now.
Anyone who thinks that Gucci is better than Nas has a hole in their head where their brain should be. I don't even know how you can compare the two.
That's why I say real gangsters don't really listen to Lil Wayne, he doesn't have the street cred that Gucci Mane may have. And I'm the same way in regards to what I listen to when I'm driving, that's why although I'm criticizing Gucci Mane in particular, I listen to him when I'm driving.
And yeah, I had the biggest argument back in high school with this dude who said Gucci Mane was far better than Nas because he's made more music and more relevant today in comparison to Nas. This was when I was almost afraid to listen to stop music, I was on a Tupac, Madvillian, Mos Def, Lupe 'music diet', and didn't give Gucci Mane the time of the day. In fact, I only gave Gucci Mane the time of the day when I first got my vehicle and at that point I realized how funny he was but at the same time you realize that this guy is a serious dude, I wouldn't laugh about him in his face.
But back to the argument, mostly every rap song has violence in it but it all really depends on the person who's saying it to be influential. Would you allow a homeless person to tell you "you can be anything you want to be in America" or a billionaire? It's that same concept in my eyes, you have one guy telling you to kill but he hasn't while there's another guy talking about killing and has done it.
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Probably because most sane people know that Weezy is only a gangster in his imagination. That's why the majority of his songs now are chick songs or riding songs, meaning the lyrics are usually about a girl, eating a girl out, sleeping with a girl, a girl stripping, and they have nice beats that sound good in a car if you have the right system. I'm not a fan of his but I'll admit I like the beat of the songs that are getting airplay right now.
Anyone who thinks that Gucci is better than Nas has a hole in their head where their brain should be. I don't even know how you can compare the two.
LOL, yes the gifted education, theater student is a "real gangster" LOL. I have no idea why anyone believes he was "real". I guess falling in with the wrong crowd can change anyones opinion of you.
I was always taught that a corner office was better than standing on a corner selling drugs, so wayne was never one of my favorite artist either.
And someone actually compared Gucci to Nas
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We sound as if we have similar lives, aside from the scholarship. I'm racking up massive student debt attending this school, but hopefully its all worth it. I guess because DC has no public universities, and I really wanted to stay close to where I can intern with local politicians, I had to stay here. Hopefully its pays off though.
But I graduated from high-school in 2010, so I'm still fairly hip to what everyone listens to. I didn't hang with one way race or economic group more than the other, meaning I was fairly diverse; I hung with Caucasians of high-incomes, and they didn't listen to Gucci Mane but instead Lil Wayne. I had black friends as well of high-incomes and low-incomes, the low income didn't really listen to Lil Wayne but instead Gucci Mane, Lil Boosie, Slim Dunkin', Etc, while the upper-income seemed to listen to Drake, Lil Wayne, and sometimes Gucci Mane but only his radio-singles not mixtapes. I'm from Baltimore, lived there most of my life so I'm fairly knowledgeable about the inner-city. I've posted stories here on several occasions about visiting the projects and getting into fights, I know that lifestyle and it gets old after a while or in my case, once one of my friends were killed. I knew real gang-members and they didn't respect Lil Wayne nearly as much as Gucci Mane. Jeezy is a different story, people still listen to him and he's a bit more relevant in comparison to Gucci Mane nonetheless he still doesn't get much respect as Gucci Mane. But all this is from my experience in Baltimore, and NC.
I'm not sure where you live, so maybe its different where you are but in NC what I said was true. And in high-school most of the people that seemed to do terrible in school, we're those who believed Gucci Mane was better than Nas. Just saying. Any time I did hang around the projects, they weren't listening to Lil Wayne; maybe the girls were but the dudes weren't.
I live just outside of Mobile,AL, but yes i can see your point of view. When i have heard Gucci, it was only the radio singles, never his mix tapes (but as i said, it could be different around the nation).
I cant say i know any gang members, or atleast no one i would consider a real gang member, just morons that get into fights with other groups of morons.
I'm not trying to paint you into anything. The poster said music should have consequences because of the violence and so I asked what about the violence in other movies. Violence is violence is violence. To say "oh well seeing Vivica Fox get stabbed in the kitchen in front of her child isn't as bad because earlier we saw that she shot Uma Thurman with a machine gun" is silly.
That's like saying "rap is horrible because it glorifies selling and using drugs" but then thinking movies like Friday, How High or Harold & Kumar are hysterical.
Getting high and searching for White Castle is okay because of the context but 50 cent saying he's high all the time in a song is bad because we don't know why he's high. He's influencing the children!
I can take that argument and run with it, look at Wiz Khalifa. When I was in high-school I'd smoke daily (yeah I know, its bad) but once Wiz Khalifa got on the scene the friends that I'd smoke with, wanted to smoke far more exotic herbs. We weren't even thinking about trying OG Kush until he said it was his favorite. Or what about this new found 'Molly' fad? I'm positive some well-known celebrity (possibly a rapper) has made it extremely popular to the inner-city youth. I've had friends who have used them for years who are genuinely pissed that its become popular.
So what I'm saying now is, that famous people have influence; they can use it to be more positive or more negative. Its not just about violence with guns as I said above because it can be increased drug use, increased woman battering, etc. And yes, there are different forms of violence. If someone breaks into your home and you shoot them technically its 'violence' and you have murdered someone, but if you step outside your home, take out a .45 and shoot whoever passes by you are having a different form of violence. I guess I'll just label 'offensive violence' vs. 'defensive violence'. The music I speak on is offensive violence, violence that is just created out of thin air just to make a few thousand dollars. That's not good, in my opinion. Talking about cutting someone up for no reason isn't what we need to hear, or better yet hearing anybody talking about cutting someone up, but I'd rather hear someone talk about cutting somebody up because that person messed with their family.
Then why do men sing about and die for that honor across cultures and countries? Every man thinks with tribal mentality. Whether his tribe is his immediate clan, his immediate friends, or his country. How many men join the army when they feel their country's honor is disrespected?
The honor of your country has more of a foundation than the neighborhood you happened to grow up in.
And anyone who blindly follows the "tribe" is an idiot. It's part of the reason why our two party system is such a brilliant scam. You won't find me standing up for such lunacy in those cases either.
That's why I say real gangsters don't really listen to Lil Wayne, he doesn't have the street cred that Gucci Mane may have. And I'm the same way in regards to what I listen to when I'm driving, that's why although I'm criticizing Gucci Mane in particular, I listen to him when I'm driving. .
If you want to listen to a rapper with true sense of honor:
He was shot and paralyzed but did not cooperate with the police. Instead he got even before he eventually was killed. You probably never heard of him before.
The honor of your country has more of a foundation than the neighborhood you happened to grow up in.
The opposite. I know all my friends. I can conscience dying for them. I don't know 300+ million Americans. The concept of dying for country is more abstract but essentially the same thing.
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