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Old 10-23-2017, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Originally Posted by MJJersey View Post
This is not confirmation. Confirmation would be a recording. Was there any recording? People hear things differently and they hear what they want to hear, especially under great emotional stress.
Perhaps you're in denial.

There were multiple witnesses and the woman whom he spoke to confirmed the account. That is sufficient for confirmation.

 
Old 10-23-2017, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Problem is he doesn't know when to leave something alone. I fully believe he called and offered what were meant to be heartfelt comments. If he tripped up on the name or didn't say it correctly or if the grieving widow mistook his meaning he should have left it alone.

The congresswoman should also have left it alone.
I agree with this. I can't, even in my most disgust filled thoughts of Trump conceive of him deliberately offending a soldier's widow. But what would any of us do in this circumstance where we hurt rather than comforted? Call the person a liar? Who does that?
 
Old 10-23-2017, 07:54 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
Perhaps you're in denial.

There were multiple witnesses and the woman whom he spoke to confirmed the account. That is sufficient for confirmation.
A Congresswoman who hates Trump. Even multiple witnesses have been known to be wrong. Trump said he remembered the soldier's name. And even if he didn't, do you think that FDR and Lincoln recalled the name of every soldier killed in action?
 
Old 10-23-2017, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Originally Posted by MJJersey View Post
This is not confirmation. Confirmation would be a recording. Was there any recording? People hear things differently and they hear what they want to hear, especially under great emotional stress.
and if they do and they are your words and you caused someone pain because of them, you as a decent human being would make some sort of attempt at apology for causing them that pain. You, even you, would not call a person who was unintentionally hurt by your attempt to comfort them a liar.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 07:58 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
and if they do and they are your words and you caused someone pain because of them, you as a decent human being would make some sort of attempt at apology for causing them that pain. You, even you, would not call a person who was unintentionally hurt by your attempt to comfort them a liar.
When did he call her a liar?
 
Old 10-23-2017, 08:04 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
We now have confirmation that: 1) Trump is getting senile enough he basically needs cliff notes to remember who he's supposed to be talking about, and, 2) he did, in fact, tell her her husband "knew what he was getting into." Representative Wilson's account of the event is 100% confirmed.
NOT.

They said Reagan was senile too. Accusations don't equal truth.

I think this story has been beaten to death. We can drop it now. We know Congresswoman Wilson is a kook, a liar, and a grand stander.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007 View Post
We now have confirmation that: 1) Trump is getting senile enough he basically needs cliff notes to remember who he's supposed to be talking about, and, 2) he did, in fact, tell her her husband "knew what he was getting into." Representative Wilson's account of the event is 100% confirmed.

Gold Star widow Myeshia Johnson breaks her silence about Trump call - Business Insider
And it will likely be said, his widow is lying.

Trump later referred to this widow as " the woman". He obviously did not know the fallen soldier's name, or he would have called her Mrs Johnson.

Senility? I doubt it. Trump has been this was his entire adult life.

Calls like this are scripted. Does not take much time/ energy to put fallen soldier's name and an appropriate level of personalization into the script. Does not take much time to rehearse the call. No idea if instead, Trump chose to wing it, as he has been prone to do.

He previously insulted a Gold Star family during the campaign. Who does this? He insulted a POW. He like soldiers who were not captured and all that from a man diagnosed with a heel spur and deferrment who instead of serving, played golf and tennis, despite the heel spur.

Melania makes excuses for her husband with the " he punches back, twice as hard" thing, to absolve him of responsibility for his outrageous behaviors. He has surrounded himself with people who make excuses for him, his entire life.

And now we learn legislators did not know there were 1000 troops in Niger.
And the typical Intellegence vs military thing ensues.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 08:08 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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And that is fine.

But you kept on saying

They intentionally left him behind
They intentionally left him behind

You must be a military special force expert. lol
Nope, GotHere just read a few articles, watched CNN/MSNBC and maybe a few faux war movies and so is an expert on the subject along with being able to parrot talking points with authority...
 
Old 10-23-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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NOT.

They said Reagan was senile too. Accusations don't equal truth.

I think this story has been beaten to death. We can drop it now. We know Congresswoman Wilson is a kook, a liar, and a grand stander.
And yet another person in denial.
 
Old 10-23-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa View Post
I agree with this. I can't, even in my most disgust filled thoughts of Trump conceive of him deliberately offending a soldier's widow. But what would any of us do in this circumstance where we hurt rather than comforted? Call the person a liar? Who does that?
Make up what you want about his intentions, he tried to console and/or comfort her and it blew up into a national story because he allegedly said it wrong and a congresswoman was there to gleefully report on his misstep.
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