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View Poll Results: Are you happy with Trump’s deal to reopen the Federal government for 3 weeks?
I’m happy with the deal 41 36.61%
It’s ok 50 44.64%
I’m unhappy with this deal 21 18.75%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-06-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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Idiotic actions like the House, $0 security CR, simply make the shutdown last longer, as they wasted time.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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"Saint Ronnie" you mean Reagan who was president before your time?

I was no fan of Reagan and wasn't happy when he did the 1986 amnesty. He agreed to it because the democrats promised the following items would happen; 1) This would be the one and only amnesty and there would never again be another one (We've since had several stealth amnesties); 2) The border would be secured (That never happened) and; 3) Illegals would never be able to find a job in the US as it would be illegal for them to hold a job (Currently, we have 8 million no-match SSNs in the workforce). So, in other words, the dems reneged on all their promises once the amnesty had passed.

Before Reagan was stricken with Alzheimer's he said he regretted the amnesty due to dems reneging on their promises. His regret was too little too late.
The only 'stealth amnesty' that I'm aware is this one by George HW Bush:

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Bush’s action in 1990 was designed to ease family disruptions caused by the landmark 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which allowed nearly 3 million illegal immigrants to gain legal permanent residency.

Under typical immigrant patterns, families do not all arrive together. Thus some family members qualified for residence but others still faced deportation. President Ronald Reagan at first eased the rules for minor children, and then Bush in early 1990 extended it to cover children and spouses, including authorization to work. However, the new rule did not make them legal residents, and they were required to renew their ”voluntary departure” status annually; they also had no legal basis to return to the United States if they left the country. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4f880156b62b
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Trump has to sign the emergency spending bill into law to make the funds available.

If Congress passes the bill and Trump vetoes is, Congress can over-ride his veto. An over-ride requires a higher majority for passage, but it can, and has, been done in the past.

So it's all up to Trump. If he wants to make an Alamo out of the wall, he'll veto any bill that doesn't have wall funding. Since the government cannot stay closed down for long, a veto would likely cause a mutiny in the Republican ranks and would be over-ridden.

But there are ways a wall can be negotiated without all this. Trump has already floated a couple as trial balloons, when he said he would be satisfied with a 'steel slat wall', which is essentially a barrier, not a wall. He may also be satisfied with a fence, which is somewhere between a barrier and a wall.

But so far, when cornered into definition, Trump reverts back to saying he wants a wall, a big beautiful concrete solid wall. Congress is likely to accept a fence or a barrier, but not a big beautiful concrete wall.
Nobody believes or trusts Trump any more after his last stunt - not even McConnell.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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It is up to Congress to pass a CR with enhanced border security funding.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Kentucky fried McConnell is too chicken to exercise the powers of congress.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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Nobody believes or trusts Trump any more after his last stunt - not even McConnell.
Has McConnell even shown up for any of Trump's shutdown meetings?

I've not seen any mention of it.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:46 PM
 
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McConnell has said more than once he'd reject legislation proposed by House Democrats to fund nine partially closed government departments without money included for a border wall. But if enough of the GOP defiles him, he'll have no choice.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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They can but the GOP is scared of Trump and do not want to act like an equal branch of government


The old tortoise said he won't even consider voting on a bill in the senate unless Trump agrees to it first.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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McConnell has said more than once he'd reject legislation proposed by House Democrats to fund nine partially closed government departments without money included for a border wall. But if enough of the GOP defiles him, he'll have no choice.


defiles?



https://www.dictionary.com/browse/defile
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Pyongjang
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Who even wants it to reopen? Keep it closed until it becomes obvious to anyone that an organization with 800,000 non-essentials needs to restructure.
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