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Twitter is not the government, trump is. trump is the one who wants to censor what we see, not twitter. twitter posted trump's tweets. Why is trump crying?
Removing and preventing censorship is not censorship. Treating a company that wants to be a publisher rather than a platform is not censorship.
Try again.
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Nope. Sorry if my point flew over your hard.
I said I want the corporations (not the government) to have the freedom to moderate their platforms as they see fit. You are demanding the government use regulations to make it impossible for them to do that. I want to keep the government out of it, and you want them involved.
There are unmoderated forums. Why don't you go there and see what they look like. Porn, personal attacks, harassment, racism, promotion of Nazism, foul language.....all the stuff you want. Who is forcing you to stay at moderated forums? No one.
I'm fine with those corporations doing whatever they want, I'm just also for having them face the consequences of their actions. If they want to be a publisher, let them be a publisher, but don't give them the protections that you would give a platform.
You're the one that wants government involved, you want to give publishers government protection as if they were platforms. I'm for removing that government interference, but you are worried that it would lead to less censorship which you are a big fan of, so you are upset.
I never said anyone was forced to do anything, I'm just suggesting that we treat publishers as publishers while treating platforms as platforms.
It's up to them which of those they want to be.
That's effectively what you are in favor of, only you want it to be a privately owned "ministry of truth" because right now they are censoring those you don't agree with and pushing ideology you agree with. If it was different, your take would be different. People like you are always against free speech when it is the speech of those you don't agree with, but you change your tune the second the censors you built up turn on you.
Who pays for Google's servers that host the user published data?
Who pays for Twitter's servers that host the user published data?
Who pays for Facebook's servers that host the user published data?
Who owns the code used to create these platforms?
You seem to want the government to be the answers to these questions, which is of course an expected position from a fascist.
If you own the hardware infrastructure and code of a platform it is your right to do whatever you want with it because it is your property. That is freedom of speech. If you don't like the rules you are free to slink off to some other service or create your own.
Who pays for Google's servers that host the user published data?
Who pays for Twitter's servers that host the user published data?
Who pays for Facebook's servers that host the user published data?
Who wrote and owns the code used to create these platforms?
You seem to want the government to be the answers to these questions, which is of course an expected position from a fascist.
If you own the hardware infrastructure and code of a platform it is your right to do whatever you want with it because it is your property. That is freedom of speech. If you don't like the rules you are free to slink off to some other service or create your own.
You fundamentally misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not calling for the government to interfere, I'm calling for them to merely remove protections for those companies that wish to be publishers rather than platforms.
They are free to do with their content whatever they want. They are free to be whatever they want. They just wouldn't be able to get protection as a platform when they are a publisher.
I know you are really worried that doing so might cause some of the more censorious publishers to struggle, but I'm fine with it.
They are absolutely free to do whatever they want.....but there are consequences to acting as a publisher rather than a platform, and Twitter should face those consequences. They are well within their rights to censor or editorialize content they publish, but they can't call themselves a platform when they choose to do so.
We'll see how much they like life as a publisher.
They are a private company Trump is using to spread his message.. They can do whatever they want with his messaging.. Dont like it? Make your own social media channel or outlet and make the terms you want for that
You fundamentally misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not calling for the government to interfere, I'm calling for them to merely remove protections for those companies that wish to be publishers rather than platforms.
They are free to do with their content whatever they want. They are free to be whatever they want. They just wouldn't be able to get protection as a platform when they are a publisher.
I know you are really worried that doing so might cause some of the more censorious publishers to struggle, but I'm fine with it.
All content providers that are not cesspools censor content.
They are not going to turn themselves into 4chan because they are ad driven services, they would rather shut down. All of them.
They are a private company Trump is using to spread his message.. They can do whatever they want with his messaging.. Dont like it? Make your own social media channel or outlet and make the terms you want for that
.....I don't have crayons to spell this out for you guys, so you are going to have to work with me here.
I'm not suggesting that they can't do whatever they want, I'm just suggesting that if they want to be publishers, they shouldn't be receiving government protection as if they are a platform.
If you struggle to understand that, give it a second read and see if it sinks in because I've had to say it too many times to the pro corporate censorship crowd too many times already.
You're the one that wants government involved, you want to give publishers government protection as if they were platforms. I'm for removing that government interference, but you are worried that it would lead to less censorship which you are a big fan of, so you are upset.
No, I do not want the government involved, but you do. You want then to take action because they hurt Trump's feelings.
Now I have said it three times, but talking to a Trump apologist is like talking to a wall.
Have a nice day.
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You are MORE authoritarian. You want the government to dictate how a private business runs its business because it hurt a politicians feelings
He is promoting authoritarianism and doesn't even know it.
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All content providers that are not cesspools censor content.
They are not going to turn themselves into 4chan, they would rather shut down. All of them.
Fine, that's their choice.
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You are MORE authoritarian. You want the government to dictate how a private business runs its business because it hurt a politicians feelings
LOL, so I'm more authoritarian because I'm pushing for less government interference and less corporate censorship.....that's smart.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
No, I do not want the government involved, but you do. You want then to take action because they hurt Trump's feelings.
Now I have said it three times, but talking to a Trump apologist is like talking to a wall.
Have a nice day.
Yeah you do. You want the government to continue giving special protections to publishers as if they were platforms. You want that censorship and you want those corporations out there pushing ideology and interfering in elections and you know it can't happen without special government involvement so you support it.
At least be honest about it.
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