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Old 09-14-2021, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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The US was never on "friendly" terms with Afghanistan, and it was never going to happen.
I disagree, the US kept that country relatively stable and free for the past 20 years, so much so that thousands of Americans, foreigners, and embassies willingly resided there.

The problem was the Taliban and other extremists organizations being funded by Pakistan. They were never going to go away. Ever.

Helping the Taliban defeat the Soviets was one of the worsts military mistakes America has ever made. They were far too powerful after that.
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Old 09-14-2021, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I disagree, the US kept that country relatively stable and free for the past 20 years, so much so that thousands of Americans, foreigners, and embassies willingly resided there.

The problem was the Taliban and other extremists organizations being funded by Pakistan. They were never going to go away. Ever.

Helping the Taliban defeat the Soviets was one of the worsts military mistakes America has ever made. They were far too powerful after that.
Kabul and some of the areas were somewhat secure but even they had bombings, most of the country was too dangerous to travel. The Taliban were always going to be part of the new government but no one expected they would be entirely in charge.

Agree on our assisting the Taliban against Russia. Strange history with the US, this years ally will be the enemy down the road a scene tht is played out over and over.
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Huntsville
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Like I said, the Taliban never had an interest on attacking us but Osama did live there for a period, not hard to do with a country that size. The terrorists attack originated in Germany, Saudi Arabia, it could have been anywhere and Osama was in Pakistan, should we invaded the because they are a hotbed for terrorists.

I don't like the results of our departure either, it's painful to watch but it was inevitable, we are not all powerful and it's not worth wasting American lives on these fruitless incompetent ventures into foreign countries.
So my question still remains.... if the Taliban had no interest in attacking us, why didn't they stay out of the way when our troops were sent in to get him? They knew he was there. For that matter, Pakistan should answer for that as well, since the Taliban live in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Part of the reason that their attacks were so difficult to defeat is that since some Taliban members are Pakistani citizens they can walk across the border into Pakistan and we can't touch them. By and large the Pakistani government wouldn't allow us to cross the border to get them. So they could attack and then retreat to an area that the US Govt couldn't follow.

Regardless of whether Kabul or the surrounding areas had total freedom like we do, they had an opportunity to experience much more freedom than they've ever had while we had troops there. It's unfortunate for anyone to have to live in that type of tyranny.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I about fell out of my chair when I heard him say it was a success. This was NOT a success, it was worse than a hot mess express.
Democrats traditionally fail, up. Biden is trying to do the same here, and why not, 52% of brain dead dems approved of the way he handled the withdrawal.

The question on everyone's mind is, will the news media keep going after Joe, or will they go back to kissing his feet and pretending he's the bestest, greatest, again?
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I disagree, the US kept that country relatively stable and free for the past 20 years, so much so that thousands of Americans, foreigners, and embassies willingly resided there.

The problem was the Taliban and other extremists organizations being funded by Pakistan. They were never going to go away. Ever.

Helping the Taliban defeat the Soviets was one of the worsts military mistakes America has ever made. They were far too powerful after that.
We essentially contained the Taliban, we created an uneasy balance, not peace, and not all out war. Then Biden crippled the army, grounded the air force, and did all he could to give the Taliban free reign to march across the country unmolested. Akin to the US waving the white flag in 1944, and giving the German Nazis free reign to round up all the Jews, and leaving all our tanks, artillery, planes, and weapons behind.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:51 AM
 
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I disagree, the US kept that country relatively stable and free for the past 20 years, so much so that thousands of Americans, foreigners, and embassies willingly resided there.

The problem was the Taliban and other extremists organizations being funded by Pakistan. They were never going to go away. Ever.

Helping the Taliban defeat the Soviets was one of the worsts military mistakes America has ever made. They were far too powerful after that.
I agree with a big majority of your post however, the Taliban's big money maker is drugs also.
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Old 09-14-2021, 07:55 AM
 
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This cake was baked when Trump and Pompeo obtained the release of the Taliban leader and 5,000+ Taliban soldiers from prison.

The frosting on the cake was the announcement that the U.S. was departing, the date conveniently set for after he was out of office.

Why any Americans should put their lives at risk fighting the Taliban after this is ignorant nonsense.
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Old 09-14-2021, 08:09 AM
 
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The only way to solve the Afghanistan issue is to remove Islam from the equation. For those who think that is a step too far, ask yourself, what do else do you think the Taliban's whole movement is about? You have to secularize the nation which is what the Soviets tried to do. They brought in moderate Muslim Russians and Soviets from the Central Asian nations (who are minorities in Afghanistan) to try to tame the conservative Pashtuns who are the majority. Did the Soviets commit war crimes and kill innocents? Yes, but that tends to happen when peasants armed with surface to air missiles begin downing your expensive helicopters. This effort was derailed by US intervention under Reagan.
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:36 PM
 
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This cake was baked when Trump and Pompeo obtained the release of the Taliban leader and 5,000+ Taliban soldiers from prison.

The frosting on the cake was the announcement that the U.S. was departing, the date conveniently set for after he was out of office.

Why any Americans should put their lives at risk fighting the Taliban after this is ignorant nonsense.
For once you are correct, your post is ignorant nonsense...
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Old 09-14-2021, 01:18 PM
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This cake was baked when Trump and Pompeo obtained the release of the Taliban leader and 5,000+ Taliban soldiers from prison.

The frosting on the cake was the announcement that the U.S. was departing, the date conveniently set for after he was out of office.

Why any Americans should put their lives at risk fighting the Taliban after this is ignorant nonsense.

Nice try. Four of the five Taliban members released from Guantanamo Bay by the Obama administration in 2014 in exchange for admitted US Army deserter Bowe Bergdahl are part of the Islamic fundamentalist group’s new hardline government in Afghanistan.


Biden could have changed the date or the deal. He changed pretty much everything else Trump did, no excuses, stop blaming Trump. This is Biden's mess and you know it.
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