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They were attempting to mold Afghanistan into our image of democracy. We went in to find Osama and 20 years later no one has a rational response to or mission.
I served in Vietnam, I'm quite familiar with misguided leadership and when you say "we" I know that only applies to a select group of national guardsmen serving 2 or 3 tours because we didn't have enough military. People that have no skin in the game use the term much to often.
Hopefully we learned our lesson this time around.
First off, thank you for your service. But I don't believe this is the exact same situation as Vietnam but I can see why you would think that it is. Botched leadership looks like botched leadership even if the intent was not the same.
I can say from experience (I have more skin in the game than you realize) that the goal was not to mold Afghanistan into our image of democracy. The goal was to stop terrorists from controlling a country, where people actually live in fear of death for something as simple as stealing a piece of food so that they can eat that day. The secondary goal was to get the Afghan people on their feet so that they could run their own country. They are so beaten down that it obviously didn't work. We play by certain rules that the Taliban do not recognize.
What if we needed to go in against North Korea? While their tyranny is much more organized, those people fear for their lives daily and live in extreme poverty while their dictator lives the lap of luxury. If the time ever came where they posed a threat to us, would you oppose going in?
First off, thank you for your service. But I don't believe this is the exact same situation as Vietnam but I can see why you would think that it is. Botched leadership looks like botched leadership even if the intent was not the same.
I can say from experience (I have more skin in the game than you realize) that the goal was not to mold Afghanistan into our image of democracy. The goal was to stop terrorists from controlling a country, where people actually live in fear of death for something as simple as stealing a piece of food so that they can eat that day. The secondary goal was to get the Afghan people on their feet so that they could run their own country. They are so beaten down that it obviously didn't work. We play by certain rules that the Taliban do not recognize.
What if we needed to go in against North Korea? While their tyranny is much more organized, those people fear for their lives daily and live in extreme poverty while their dictator lives the lap of luxury. If the time ever came where they posed a threat to us, would you oppose going in?
Yes. Because you don't destroy the village to save it.
Yes. Because you don't destroy the village to save it.
Maybe one day the human race will be intellectually advanced enough to properly comprehend those 10 words of wisdom you wrote. That'll probably take another 20 or 30 thousand years though.
That ain't breaking news, champ. They even made a Rambo movie about it for Christ's sake....
Russians - lost
Brits - lost
Sikhs - lost
Persians - lost
Mughals - lost
Timurids - lost
Mongols/Genghis Kahn - lost
Rashiduns - lost
Alexander the Great - lost
This was a doomed effort from the start if the mission was ever to be anything more than killing some selected terrorists - and it was more than that.
This is what you call misdirection. Its all about suggesting that what happened wasn't a train wreck because the people in charge are idiots.
"hey even Genghis Khan lost!"
Nope. Leaving Afghanistan wasnt the issue. The issue IS that Dementia Joe and General Chinaman put a plan in place that killed Americans, left Americans behind and handed American Military Tech to the freaking Chinese Communist party.
good grief. You can still be a leftist and realize that Biden is an idiot.
Which liberals said this wasn’t the worst evacuation of all time?
The Pentagon just confirmed we killed 10 civilians and 0 terrorists in our drone strike.
Biden truly is an idiot. There’s zero chance Trump would’ve created such a disaster on this scale.
13 fallen troops
10 civilians killed, many of which were kids
0 terrorists killed
I recall how glowing Biden was to announce right after the strike was carried out that we did a drone strike that took out a big bad terrorist who was in the process of doing another terrorist attack.
What I don't get is how Biden & Co could successfully identify and attack a terrorist target without boots on the ground providing the support necessary to do such an operation? The CIA and most of the Special Forces were out of there at the time this drone attack commenced.
It's amazing how gullible the average American can be. Saudi Arabian citizens destroyed the towers, and our leader holds hands with the king. We attack Afghanistan because they had a training camp there. Easy victory with hundreds of millions in payoffs to the warlords and a few thousand CIA. Next, we start another war with Iraq, the enemy of Iran that war destabilized the entire region and that we have to live with for many years to come.
The fix was in Feb 2020 with the Taliban. The United States agreed to withdraw, we pay them billions, they don’t shoot Americans. That is how only a few thousand American troops could keep the so-called peace. We pull out, and the American-trained Afghan military surrenders their equipment to the Taliban. We thought it would take about two months, not two weeks.
Be happy we are finally out of that quagmire.
What I don't get is how Biden & Co could successfully identify and attack a terrorist target without boots on the ground providing the support necessary to do such an operation? The CIA and most of the Special Forces were out of there at the time this drone attack commenced.
Fairly continuous drone surveillance. There's enough drone surveillance going on that imagery analysts can get to know a suspected terrorist's entire family before getting a "strike" order.
In this case, they watched a particular "person of interest" loading packages into a vehicle that they estimated to be explosives by the apparent weight (measuring the deflection of the shock absorbers and other means). It turns out the packages were water, not explosives.
Certainly mistakes can be made, but don't think they can't be made by an on-the-ground strike team as well.
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