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Old 05-18-2009, 11:12 AM
 
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That is common falsehood. All prop taxes meant for local schools (app 80%) go to the county to be distributed back to the schools. Schools in "rich" areas get no more money per student from the county than the schools in "poor" areas.

Money is not the problem, self accountability is.
So...in Illinois, East St Louis schools receive the same amount of money that, say, O'Fallon and Belleville schools do?

Every school in that county receives the same amount of money?

Really?

If so, I'll happily stand corrected.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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ever heard the phrase you get what you pay for? you think spending more money on crappy schools is going to improve test scores? so throwing money at a problem fixes it. gotcha.

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So...in Illinois, East St Louis schools receive the same amount of money that, say, O'Fallon and Belleville schools do?

Every school in that county receives the same amount of money?

Really?

If so, I'll happily stand corrected.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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It has nothing to do with Democrats... as segregation was dismantled, many of our high achieving Blacks moved out of Black neighborhoods and the poor remained. So while a higher percentage of Blacks have been moving into the middle class, the poorer classes seems stuck... especially with no role models left in the neighborhood and the ascent of drugs in the community. It's not a Democrat/Republican problem; it's a US problem.

You can ask the same about Appalachia and Republicans, right? But why do that... that won't confirm your bias.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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ever heard the phrase you get what you pay for? you think spending more money on crappy schools is going to improve test scores? so throwing money at a problem fixes it. gotcha.
I was asking if that claim was true - that all the schools of the same level (all high schools, e.g.) in any given county in the US receive the same amount of money every year, from their states, municipalities, fed; that the local tax base has nothing to do with school funding..
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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So...in Illinois, East St Louis schools receive the same amount of money that, say, O'Fallon and Belleville schools do?

Every school in that county receives the same amount of money?

Really?

If so, I'll happily stand corrected.
MODESE Annual Report of School Data
MODESE Annual Report of School Data

Its not even remotely close. St Louis spends (receives) $15,549 per day attended. O'Fallon (Francis Howell SD) spends (receives) $8,546 per day attended. That's a huge disparity.

I'm guessing the St. Louis SD would be considered the "poor" area since it receives almost DOUBLE what the "rich" SD does.

It would be a more accurate statement to say that schools in poorer neighborhoods with less property values get MORE money than the schools in the "rich" areas.


California's data is much easier to find and analyze. I was shocked when I found out that the crappier the school, the more money they receive per student.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:45 AM
 
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MODESE Annual Report of School Data
MODESE Annual Report of School Data

Its not even remotely close. St Louis spends (receives) $15,549 per day attended. O'Fallon (Francis Howell SD) spends (receives) $8,546 per day attended. That's a huge disparity.

I'm guessing the St. Louis SD would be considered the "poor" area since it receives almost DOUBLE what the "rich" SD does.


California's data is much easier to find and analyze. I was shocked when I found out that the crappier the school, the more money they receive per student.
East St. Louis, Illinois? Receives $15+K? per day?

Holy cow.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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East St. Louis, IL? Receives $15+K per day?

Holy cow.
Holy cow is right, that is some SERIOUS funding, esp compared to most SD in the entire nation. I usually see somewhere in the neighborhood of $6,000-$8,000 per pupil per day. I really don't get where the money goes, it makes no sense.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:50 AM
 
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MODESE Annual Report of School Data
MODESE Annual Report of School Data

Its not even remotely close. St Louis spends (receives) $15,549 per day attended. O'Fallon (Francis Howell SD) spends (receives) $8,546 per day attended. That's a huge disparity.

I'm guessing the St. Louis SD would be considered the "poor" area since it receives almost DOUBLE what the "rich" SD does.

It would be a more accurate statement to say that schools in poorer neighborhoods with less property values get MORE money than the schools in the "rich" areas.

California's data is much easier to find and analyze. I was shocked when I found out that the crappier the school, the more money they receive per student.

I believe that's because their federal share is higher... local and state monies are heavily slanted towards richer districts.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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He didn't look up East St. Louis, IL. He posted the numbers for St. Louis, MO.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~


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East St. Louis, Illinois? Receives $15+K? per day?

Holy cow.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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I believe that's because their federal share is higher... local and state monies are heavily slanted towards richer districts.
Nope. And what would it matter? Schools in poor areas get more money per pupil than schools in rich areas.

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He didn't look up East St. Louis, IL. He posted the numbers for St. Louis, MO.

~ButterBrownBiscuit~
They just had St Louis school district. I don't know what school district East St. Louis is in. All of the info can be found here. The average for Missouri is about $9600 per pupil day, I doubt E St Louis is lower than the average, as I noted St. Louis was at 15K+ maybe this includes East St. Louis? Edit, LOL didn't know East St Louis was in IL.


You guys can do further research, the truth hurts some liberal agendas saying that "poor" area schools are underfunded when compared to "rich" areas it is simply not true

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