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God is omniscient and unchanging, yes. And the covenant that he made is binding on the people he made it with.
Actually, that passage is clearly addressed to those that were in that covenant with God. Read the Old Testament--you'll see that it's the Mosaic Law and it was given to the Jews in ancient Israel. Romans 10:4 states that Jesus is the end of the Law. We are not bound to that Law.
Seriously...it's not overly complicated. If you're willing to actually read it in context, it's clear.
Romans is Paul preaching.
Matthew is Jesus speaking:
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
The second coming has not happened, so not all is accomplished. Or is eschatology no longer a Christian belief?
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
The second coming has not happened, so not all is accomplished. Or is eschatology no longer a Christian belief?
Yup, and if the law were ended, people would be walking around like demigods because the feast of Tabernacles would have come and the spirit would have fallen on Shemini Atzeret.
The feast day appointed for the marriage would have come, the consummation would have happened, birth would have happened and people would be living a thousand years old.
If Jesus would have ended the law, he would have ended it for Jews and Christians.
If Paul would have come teaching against the law saying that it was ended, then he deserved to die a sinner's death, but he never taught Jews that the law had ended nor did Jesus, just the opposite.
Acts 21~ Paul proving his innocence.
21They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.â€
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
The second coming has not happened, so not all is accomplished. Or is eschatology no longer a Christian belief?
Paul is just as inspired as the Gospel writers. Jesus didn't actually write that.
But Paul said that Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness--he never said the Law is done away with. The Law is to teach us what God considers sin. But it does not save.
But Paul said that Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness--he never said the Law is done away with. The Law is to teach us what God considers sin. But it does not save.
The ONLY one who saves is Jesus, not anything WE do or do not do. We are sanctified when we love God and each other every day and repent when we don't. THAT gives us the cover of Christ's perfect agape love (Grace) for our imperfections.
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Paul is just as inspired as the Gospel writers. Jesus didn't actually write that.
No, Jesus didn't write anything (which is hilarious considering he was suppose to be all powerful, but that is a different topic). However, you are well aware that the red texts refer to WHAT Jesus supposedly said. Would you not take Jesus's own words over a master salesman like Paul? After all, it is only Paul who says he is divinely inspired. That is pretty circular, and you know that.
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But Paul said that Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness--he never said the Law is done away with. The Law is to teach us what God considers sin. But it does not save.
That has nothing to do with Jesus's quote, where he refers to end times:
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Paul may feel we are not under the law, but Jesus did, according to the bible. Whose word is more important for a Christian?
No, Jesus didn't write anything (which is hilarious considering he was suppose to be all powerful, but that is a different topic). However, you are well aware that the red texts refer to WHAT Jesus supposedly said. Would you not take Jesus's own words over a master salesman like Paul? After all, it is only Paul who says he is divinely inspired. That is pretty circular, and you know that.
All of Scripture is "God-breathed". It's all inspired -- whether they are the words of Paul, or the words of Matthew or Mark.
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That has nothing to do with Jesus's quote, where he refers to end times:
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Paul may feel we are not under the law, but Jesus did, according to the bible. Whose word is more important for a Christian?
No one is saying the Law disappeared. Nor did Jesus say that we are going to be under it.
We've been over this. Jesus is God. God inspired Paul's writing. Jesus is the end of the Law FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS for those that believe. He never said Jesus is the end of the law, period. He said "FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS". The Law still exists -- to teach us what sin is.
All of Scripture is "God-breathed". It's all inspired -- whether they are the words of Paul, or the words of Matthew or Mark.
No one is saying the Law disappeared. Nor did Jesus say that we are going to be under it.
We've been over this. Jesus is God. God inspired Paul's writing. Jesus is the end of the Law FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS for those that believe. He never said Jesus is the end of the law, period. He said "FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS". The Law still exists -- to teach us what sin is.
It's all true. Just because you say so.
Everything MysticPhD says is true. Just because he says so.
As opposed it's "all wrong just because Freak says it is"?
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