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YES they were christian, and others replicated the act with burning, bullets, knives, acid, baseball bats, and to many other ways...
Several men were assaulted on July 5, 1978, by a gang of youths armed with baseball bats and tree branches in an area of Central Park in New York City known to be frequented by homosexuals. The victims were assaulted at random, but the assailants later confessed that they had deliberately set out to the park to attack homosexuals. One of those injured was former figure skater Dick Button, who was assaulted while watching a fireworks display in the park.
Harvey Milk, the openly gay San Francisco city supervisor, along with Mayor George Moscone, were assassinated on November 27, 1978, by political rival Dan White at San Francisco City Hall. Outrage over the assassinations and the short sentence given to White (seven years) prompted the White Night Riots.
Tennessee Williams was the victim of an assault in January 1979 in Key West, being beaten by five teenage boys. He escaped serious injury. The episode was part of a spate of anti-gay violence inspired by an anti-gay newspaper ad run by a local Baptist minister.
Steven Charles, 17, of Newark was beaten to death in New York City on October 7, 1979, by Costabile "Gus" Farace, Robert DeLicio, David Spoto and Farace's cousin Mark Granato. They also beat Charles' friend, 16-year-old Thomas Moore of Brooklyn. Moore was critically injured but managed to get help at a nearby residence. It was Moore that identified the four men via a lineup four days after the incident. Farace, the leader of the attack, plead guilty to first-degree manslaughter. He was paroled after 8 years, in 1988. He himself was murdered on November 17, 1989.
On November 18, 1980, Ronald K. Crumpley, a former Transit Authority policeman, fired 40 rounds from a semiautomatic rifle and two Magnum pistols (all stolen from a Virginia gun shop) into a cluster of men standing in front of two gay bars—Ramroad and the next-door Sneakers—in West Greenwich Village, killing 21-year-old Jörg Wenz, from the Netherlands, the Ramrod's doorman, and 24-year-old Vernon Koenig, from Minnesota, a church organist, and wounding six others. Rene Malute, 23, later died of his wounds. A survivor described the shootings as “a massacre, a bloodbath.” Crumpley admitted to having paranoid delusions that gays were agents of the devil, stalking him and “trying to steal my soul just by looking at me.” He was found not responsible by reason of insanity and committed to maximum-security Kirby Forensic Psychiatric Center on Ward’s Island. In 2001, a judge denied Crumpley’s request to be transferred to a less restrictive psychiatric facility.
Charlie Howard was drowned in Bangor, Maine, in 1984.
Rebecca Wight was killed on May 13, 1988, when she and her partner, Claudia Brenner, were shot by Stephen Roy Carr while hiking and camping along the Appalachian Trail. Carr later claimed that he became enraged by the couple's lesbianism when he saw them having sex
James Zappalorti (1945–1990), a gay Vietnam War veteran, was stabbed to death.
Paul Broussard (1968–1991), a Houston-area banker, was murdered.
U.S. Navy Petty Officer Allen Schindler was murdered by a shipmate who stomped him to death in a public restroom in Japan on October 27, 1992. Schindler had complained repeatedly about anti-gay harassment aboard ship. The case became synonymous with the gays in the military debate that had been brewing in the United States culminating in the "Don't ask, don't tell" bill.
Brandon Teena, a transman, was raped and later murdered in 1993 when his birth gender was revealed by police to male friends of his. The events leading to Teena's death were depicted in the movie Boys Don't Cry.
Scott Amedure was murdered on March 9, 1995, after revealing his attraction to his friend Jonathan Schmitz on a The Jenny Jones Show episode about secret crushes. Schmitz purchased a shotgun to kill Amedure and did so after Amedure implied he still was attracted to him; Schmitz then turned himself in to police.
Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abdill, a lesbian couple in Medford, Oregon, were murdered on December 4, 1995, by a man who said he had "no compassion" for bisexual or homosexual people. Robert Acremant was convicted and sentenced to death by lethal injection.
The Otherside Lounge, a lesbian nightclub in Atlanta, was bombed by Eric Robert Rudolph, the "Olympic Park Bomber," on February 21, 1997; five bar patrons were injured. In a statement released after he was sentenced to five consecutive life terms for his several bombings, Rudolph called homosexuality an "aberrant lifestyle".
Matthew Shepard (1976–1998), a gay student, was fatally attacked in Laramie, Wyoming on October 7, 1998. Shepard was tortured, beaten severely, tied to a fence, and abandoned; he was found 18 hours after the attack and succumbed to his injuries less than a week later, on October 12. His attackers, Russell Arthur Henderson and Aaron James McKinney, are both serving two consecutive life sentences in prison.
Gary Matson and Winfield Mowder, a gay couple, were murdered on July 1, 1999, by white supremacist brothers Matthew and Tyler Williams in Redding, California. Tyler Williams was sentenced to a minimum of 33 years in prison, to be served after his completion of a 21-year sentence for firebombing synagogues and an abortion clinic.[121] Benjamin Williams claimed that by killing the couple he was "obeying the laws of the Creator". He committed suicide in 2003 while awaiting trial. Their former pastor described the brothers as "zealous in their faith" but "far from kooks".
U.S. Army Pfc. Barry Winchell was murdered on July 6, 1999, in Fort Campbell, Kentucky by fellow soldier Calvin Glover. Winchell was beaten to death with a baseball bat after rumors spread on base of his relationship with transgender author Calpernia Addams. Glover was sentenced to life in prison.
Steen Fenrich was murdered in September 1999, apparently by his stepfather, John D. Fenrich, in Queens, New York. His dismembered remains were found in March 2001, with the phrase "gay ****** number one" scrawled on his skull along with his social security number. His stepfather fled from police while being interviewed, then committed suicide.
Arthur "J.R." Warren was punched and kicked to death by two teenage boys on July 3, 2000, in Grant Town, West Virginia, who reportedly believed Warren had spread a rumor that he and one of the boys, David Allen Parker, had a sexual relationship. Warren's killers ran over his body to disguise the murder as a hit-and-run. Parker pleaded guilty and was sentenced to "life in prison with mercy", making him eligible for parole after 15 years. His accomplice, Jared Wilson, was sentenced to 20 years.
Ronald Gay entered a gay bar in Roanoke, Virginia on September 22, 2000, and opened fire on the patrons, killing Danny Overstreet, 43 years old, and severely injuring six others. Ronald said he was angry over what his name now meant, and deeply upset that three of his sons had changed their surname. He claimed that he had been told by God to find and kill lesbians and gay men, describing himself as a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord;" Gay testified in court that "he wished he could have killed more ****," before several of the shooting victims as well as Danny Overstreet's family and friends.
Nizah Morris, a trans woman, was the victim of a possible homicide in December 2002 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Gwen Araujo, a trans woman, was murdered by at least three men who were charged with committing a hate crime. Two were convicted of murder, the third manslaughter; however, the jury rejected the hate crime enhancement.
Sakia Gunn, a 15-year-old lesbian, was murdered on May 11, 2003, in Newark, New Jersey. While waiting for a bus, Gunn and her friends were propositioned by two men. When the girls rejected their advances, declaring themselves to be lesbians, the men attacked them. One of the men, Richard McCullough, fatally stabbed Gunn. In exchange for his pleading guilty to several lesser crimes including aggravated manslaughter, prosecutors dropped murder charges against McCullough, who was sentenced to 20 years.
Richie Phillips of Elizabethtown, Kentucky was killed on June 17, 2003, by Joseph Cottrell. His body was later found in a suitcase in Rough River Lake. During his trial, two of Cottrell's relatives testified that he lured Phillips to his death, and killed him because he was gay. Cottrell was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.
Nireah Johnson and Brandie Coleman were shot to death on July 23, 2003, by Paul Moore when Moore learned after a sexual encounter that Johnson was transgender. Moore then burned his victims' bodies. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 120 years in prison.
Glenn Kopitske, 37, was shot and stabbed in the back on July 31, 2003, by 17-year-old Gary Hirte, a straight-A student, star athlete and Eagle Scout, in Winnebago County, Wisconsin. Prosecutors contended that Hirte murdered Kopitske to see if he could get away with it.[136] Hirte pleaded insanity, claiming he killed Kopitske in a murderous rage after a consensual sexual encounter with the victim, because he felt a homosexual act was "worse than murder". The 'temporary insanity' mitigation plea was not upheld, he was found guilty, and received a life sentence.
Scotty Joe Weaver was an 18-year-old murder victim from Bay Minette, Alabama, whose burned and partially decomposed body was discovered on July 22, 2004, a few miles from the mobile home in which he lived. He was beaten, strangled and stabbed numerous times, partially decapitated, and his body was doused in gasoline and set on fire.
Ronnie Antonio Paris, a three-year-old boy living in Tampa, Florida, died on January 28, 2005, due to brain injuries inflicted by his father, Ronnie Paris, Jr. According to his mother and other relatives, Ronnie Paris, Jr., repeatedly slammed his son into walls, slapped the child's head, and "boxed" him because he was concerned the child was gay and would grow up a sissy. Paris was sentenced to thirty years in prison.
Jason Gage, an openly gay man, was murdered on March 11, 2005, in his Waterloo, Iowa apartment by an assailant, Joseph Lawrence, who claimed Gage had made sexual advance to him. Gage was bludgeoned to death with a bottle, and stabbed in the neck, probably post-mortem, with a shard of glass. Lawrence was sentenced to fifty years in prison.
18-year-old Jacob D. Robida entered a bar on February 2, 2006, in New Bedford, Massachusetts, confirmed that it was a gay bar, and then attacked patrons with a hatchet and a handgun, wounding three.[140] He fatally shot himself three days later.
Kevin Aviance, a female impressionist, musician, and fashion designer, was robbed and beaten in Manhattan on June 10, 2006, by a group of men who yelled anti-gay slurs at him. Four assailants pleaded guilty and received prison sentences.
Six men were attacked with baseball bats and knives on July 30, 2006, after leaving the San Diego, California Gay Pride festival. One victim was injured so severely that he had to undergo extensive facial reconstructive surgery. Three men pleaded guilty in connection with the attacks and received prison sentences. A 15-year-old juvenile also pleaded guilty.
An altercation occurred in Manhattan on August 18, 2006, between a man and seven black lesbians from Newark, New Jersey. During the altercation, the man was stabbed. The women claim that they acted in self-defense after he screamed homophobic epithets, spit on them, and pulled one of their weaves off,[145] while he has described the attack as "a hate crime against a straight man."
Michael Sandy was attacked on October 8, 2006, by four young heterosexual men who lured him into meeting after chatting online, while they were looking for gay men to rob. He was struck by a car while trying to escape his attackers, and died five days later without regaining consciousness.
Andrew Anthos, a 72-year-old disabled gay man, was beaten with a lead pipe by a man who was shouting anti-gay names at him on February 27, 2007, in Detroit, Michigan. Anthos died 10 days later in the hospital.
Sean William Kennedy, 20, was walking to his car from Brew's Bar in Greenville, SC on May 16, 2007, when Stephen Andrew Moller, 18, got out of another car and approached Kennedy. Investigators said that Moller made a comment about Kennedy's sexual orientation, and threw a fatal punch because he did not like the other man's sexual preference.
Duanna Johnson, a transsexual woman, was beaten by a police officer in February 2008, while she was held in the Shelby County Criminal Justice Center in Tennessee. Johnson said the officers reportedly called her a “faggot” and “he-she,” before and during the incident. In November 2008, she was found dead in the street, reportedly gunned down by three unknown individuals.
Lawrence "Larry" King, a 15-year-old junior highschool student was shot twice by a classmate at E.O. Green School in Oxnard, California on February 12, 2008. He was taken off life support after doctors declared him brain dead on February 15.[153] According to Associated Press reports, "prosecutors have charged a 14-year-old classmate with premeditated murder with hate-crime and firearm-use enhancements".
Angie Zapata, an 18-year-old trans woman, was beaten to death on July 17, 2008, in Colorado, two days after meeting Allen Ray Andrade. The case was prosecuted as a hate crime, and Andrade was found guilty of first degree murder on April 22, 2009.
Nima Daivari, 26, was attacked by a man who called him "******" on September 13, 2008, in Denver, Colorado. The police that arrived on the scene refused to make a report of the attack.
A Bourbonnais, Illinois elementary school bus driver was charged with leading a homophobic attack on a 10-year-old student passenger on September 15, 2008. The boy was taunted by the driver who then encouraged other students to chase and beat the child.
Lateisha Green, a 22-year-old transgender woman, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee on November 14, 2008, in Syracuse, NY because he thought she was gay. Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses "Teish" Cannon. DeLee was convicted of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime on July 17, 2009, and received the maximum sentence of 25 years in state prison. This was only the second time in the nation’s history that a person was prosecuted for a hate crime against a transgender person and the first hate crime conviction in New York state.
Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, an 11-year-old child in Springfield, Massachusetts, hanged himself with an extension cord on April 6, 2009, after being bullied all school year by peers who said "he acted feminine" and was gay.
Justin Goodwin, 36, of Salem, Massachusetts was attacked and beaten on April 11, 2009, by as many as six people outside a bar in Gloucester, Massachusetts. Goodwin suffered a shattered jaw, broken eye socket, broken nose and broken cheekbone.
Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton on June 30, 2009. LGBT community leaders "citing military sources initially said that Provost’s death was a hate crime." Provost had been harassed because of his sexual orientation.[167] Military leaders have since explained that "whatever the investigation concludes, the military’s “Don't ask, don't tell” policy prevented Provost from seeking help." Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay (or bisexual according to some family and sources); the killer committed suicide a week later after admitting the murder, the Navy have not concluded if this was a hate crime.
CeCe McDonald, a young African American trans woman, was attacked outside a tavern shortly after midnight on June 5, 2011, in Minneapolis, Minnesota. CeCe fatally stabbed her attacker with a pair of scissors. She was subsequently convicted of manslaughter and jailed for 19 months in a men's prison.
Mark Carson, a 32-year-old gay man, was shot to death by a man who trailed and taunted him and a friend as they walked down the street in Greenwich Village, New York, yelling anti-gay slurs and asking one of them, "You want to die tonight?" Elliot Morales was arrested briefly after the shooting and charged with murder and weapons charges on May 19, 2013
Were ANY of those sanctioned by our government? Were ANY of them actually doing what Christianity teaches (chapter and verse, please). Again--I'll remind you that in Iran they toss gay people off buildings. They actively seek to eradicate gay people. In America? You have the stories of a few rednecks that may or may not have gone to church once in their lives doing harm to someone. Many of those stories don't even MENTION a Christian faith of the attacker.
Your god most certainly HAS told people to harm in his name. It's all there in the OT. There are passages that specifically command the stoning to death of homosexuals.
Stop your "lying for Jesus." It's getting old.
Who did he tell to do the harm? Is ANYONE alive today in that group?
I'm just asking you to take the big step of reading comprehension, Freak. Just read it and ask a few basic questions of literature. Do you read Harry Potter the same way you do? Do you read chapter 3 and apply a conversation between 2 characters to a random character you see in chapter 23? Or does context matter?
As someone else has pointed out I have a much higher opinion of your character and integrity in this matter than I do for some other Christian posters. My guess is that your personal everyday attitude towards the LGBTQ community is better than what scripture gives you license / latitude for. Sadly, that's not saying much.
thank you, I think.
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What I think we are trying to get across is that without explicitly meaning to, sometimes we create structural discrimination and a climate that fosters its continuance. Society also sometimes creates systems that allow people to participate in discrimination in a deniable fashion. A reasonable parallel is that when slavery fell in the 1860s a social system that came to be called Jim Crow was set up to preserve a large measure of the antebellum status quo without resorting to actual slavery. Then when the civil rights movement got legislation like the voting rights act passed during the Johnson administration, after a few years what is now being termed "the new Jim Crow" came in to play, and we now use the prison system and the "war on drugs" to disproportionately disenfranchise and impoverish people of color without resorting to overt racism, racist talk, hate speech, tacitly tolerated lynchings and the like. Even the KKK and other white supremacist groups have cleaned up their language and superficially say the Right Things about black people while still supporting their marginalization in all deniable ways.
My point in all of this is that just as good ol' southern boys have and continue to do their best to keep the races separate and the undesired races out of so-called polite society, the same thing is happening to the gay community -- it makes three steps of progress and then goes two back down. And your ideology is a part of this.
You can say that...but seriously. In a city in the deep south, there was a "Premier Gay Night Club" where on any given night, hundreds of gay people gathered to dance. I find that interesting. I will also note that it wasn't a "good ole Southern Christian boy" that went on a shooting spree there. It was a Muslim--who identified with a radical Muslim group that has declared war on our country. From what I recall, his dad was from Afghanistan and has been known to say hateful things about our country.
As our cultures will continue to clash, there is a tremendous amount of tolerance there, in comparison to many many other countries.
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I do not buy your disclaimer about "loving sinners and hating sin". Labeling something sin identifies people AS sinners and therefore as "less than" the righteous. At that point all professions of love for these "less than" individuals is patronizing at best and thinly deniable dehumanization at worst. While this did not directly result in this particular incident, it fosters a climate that make incidents like this particular one, more rather than less likely to happen.
I've asked the question before...but if we start picking and choosing what behavior we want God to just be ok with.....why not give a pass to any other sin? God has declared homosexuality to be a sinful activity. Like it or not--that's just how it is.
Having said that, as I noted above, our nation is growing increasingly tolerant of things the Bible calls sin--and in time, I believe this will be like any other sinful activity.
...but if we start picking and choosing what behavior we want God to just be ok with.....why not give a pass to any other sin?
We (society) have always "picked and chosen" what is harmful or not. That is our responsibility to do, based on as factual and objective a basis as possible.
You (fundamentalism) have never "picked and chosen" but have simply done as you are told, not by your scriptures per se (because your personal subjective interpretation of them has no more or less standing than anyone else's), not by your god (because your personal subjective experience of god has no more or less standing than anyone else's) but by your denominational thought leaders essentially. Your thought leaders claim god or the scriptures command it and that these are authoritative, not just for you (fundamentalists) but for everyone (society).
I think the only way forward for fundamentalism is to recognize that it can only be binding on fundamentalists. Then demonstrate the success of fundamentalism as a better way of life such that more people become fundamentalists. Beyond that ... yes, give it a pass other than for yourselves and those who inquire about joining you. The public sphere -- including politics -- is not within the scope of your teachings. The case you make politically or ideologically outside your group against, e.g., SSM has to operate on the same playing field as the rest of society, which is that you can't appeal to your doctrines or beliefs or holy book, but to actual demonstrable societal harms. Actual studies for example that show how what people do in their private sex lives matters to the health and well-being of anyone else or their children, based on actual experience. Not on belief-driven fear and loathing.
We (society) have always "picked and chosen" what is harmful or not. That is our responsibility to do, based on as factual and objective a basis as possible.
At least from a secular point of view. That's why we don't stone adulterers. I realize that, and I'm not suggesting for a second that we need to "punish" gay people in any way whatsoever.
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You (fundamentalism) have never "picked and chosen" but have simply done as you are told, not by your scriptures per se (because your personal subjective interpretation of them has no more or less standing than anyone else's), not by your god (because your personal subjective experience of god has no more or less standing than anyone else's) but by your denominational thought leaders essentially. Your thought leaders claim god or the scriptures command it and that these are authoritative, not just for you (fundamentalists) but for everyone (society).
Actually...yes--by my God. He has told us what he expects in the Scriptures. I am very much a Bible guy--we can only know what God expects of us by looking at what he has said.
Having said that, I have been clear that the Bible is not the rulebook for how our society must live. We are not Ancient Israel -- and we do not apply the Mosaic Law to 21st Century America.
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I think the only way forward for fundamentalism is to recognize that it can only be binding on fundamentalists. Then demonstrate the success of fundamentalism as a better way of life such that more people become fundamentalists. Beyond that ... yes, give it a pass other than for yourselves and those who inquire about joining you. The public sphere -- including politics -- is not within the scope of your teachings. The case you make politically or ideologically outside your group against, e.g., SSM has to operate on the same playing field as the rest of society, which is that you can't appeal to your doctrines or beliefs or holy book, but to actual demonstrable societal harms. Actual studies for example that show how what people do in their private sex lives matters to the health and well-being of anyone else or their children, based on actual experience. Not on belief-driven fear and loathing.
I get what you're saying...but remember, we do live in America. I have not suggested that SSM not be legal because the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. I do have a secular argument against it and I have voiced that argument in the past. Instead of continuing to harp on the idea that my argument is irrelevant because I'm religious, why not actually listen to the argument?
As American citizens we have certain rights -- including voting privileges and rights to practice our religion. If we don't want something in our society, we have the right as voting Americans to lobby and to vote for such things. That may or may not be in conflict with what you want -- but that doesn't mean that we are second-class citizens or that we get to overrule you, for that matter---it means our voice has exactly the same weight as your voice.
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Were ANY of those sanctioned by our government? Were ANY of them actually doing what Christianity teaches (chapter and verse, please). Again--I'll remind you that in Iran they toss gay people off buildings. They actively seek to eradicate gay people. In America? You have the stories of a few rednecks that may or may not have gone to church once in their lives doing harm to someone. Many of those stories don't even MENTION a Christian faith of the attacker.
Vizio, why do you keep repeating the lie that Iran throws homosexuals off buildings? I told and showed you way back in post 562 that is NOT the case.
I have not seen you try to communicate. I only see you throw crap on the wall, by claiming I have blood on my hands because I have "railed against gays".
The problem is that you have failed to show how I have railed against gays.
You, in the other hand have been shown to rail against Christians, which according to your own argument, means you have blood on your hands when Christians are murdered.
Yes, Finn. I believe you have excreted those thoughts 3 or 4 times now.
All you have to do is show me a Christian fundamentalist killed in North America just for being a Christian fundie.
At that point, I will feel just terrible for causing it.
Vizio, why do you keep repeating the lie that Iran throws homosexuals off buildings? I told and showed you way back in post 562 that is NOT the case.
ISIS did that. Not Iran. Please, accuracy.
My apologies. I did not see your correction, and I thank you for pointing out that Iran "only" hangs homosexuals and does not toss them off of buildings as other Muslims do.
You do still realize he was a MUSLIM, right? This is not an act of a Christian, nor did he even call himself one. Seriously. Get over it already -- this has zero to do with Christianity.
How many times do I have to say I'm not saying a Christian did it . Seriously yourself , dude. If you are going to post , then at least take the time to read what you are responding to . Your inability to confine yourself to what I say either suggests a reading problem on your part or an honesty one . The title of the OP indicates the discussion topic . It's the Christian response to gays being murdered . So far that response nationwide has range from shock and abhorrence to joy and delight . Which indicates WHY this thread was created .
Have I made myself clear this time so that we don't have a repeat of this from you again? Or do I need to limit the number of letters per word I use to make it easier for you, because you seem to be having a problem here .
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There have been "instances". Yes. "Instances". In Muslim countries gay people are routinely tossed off the tops of buildings. The "President" of Iran was once shocked to hear there were gay people in his country -- and he wanted them pointed out to him so they could go round them up. Here? There is a nightclub known as "Orlando's Premier Gay Club" in Orlando, FL. People take their families to vacation a mile or two from it, I understand. If Christians were so evil and we wanted to kill gay people, that club would have been firebombed many YEARS ago. It wouldn't have stood there until a gay MUSLIM (registered Democrat) walked into it with a gun.
So again, your response is that at least Christians don't behave like radical Muslims ?
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You can whine all you want about Christians being intolerant, but seriously....it makes you look bad if you are going to compare us to a Muslim country.
The OP, once again for those challenged by too many letters in words, is the Christian response to this act, not " Why Christians are responsible for this act". The (incessant and non stop ) whining has repeatedly come from those of you whining that people are using this issue to just be mean to all the Christians again. There is no comparison with anyone else to the amount of whining Christians do here . If this were banned , many Christians could not post .
As far as comparing Christians to a Muslim country, you are the one bringing up Iran , so again, we seem to be having honesty problems with your statements.
Why don't you grow up and confine your discussions to what people actually say ? To help you along in understanding what I am driving at , and what I take to be the point of the OP , think about these two responses to this tragedy .
In CA a preacher rejoices at the deaths of the gays .Another pastor says the government should be killing them .
In Utah , a GOP Lt Gov and likely Mormon admits that he has acted in unkind ways to gays as a community in the past , and admits he and others have contributed to this climate of hate for gays .
These responses are the crux of what I am getting at .
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How many times do I have to say I'm not saying a Christian did it . Seriously yourself , dude. If you are going to post , then at least take the time to read what you are responding to . Your inability to confine yourself to what I say either suggests a reading problem on your part or an honesty one . The title of the OP indicates the discussion topic . It's the Christian response to gays being murdered . So far that response nationwide has range from shock and abhorrence to joy and delight . Which indicates WHY this thread was created .
Have I made myself clear this time so that we don't have a repeat of this from you again? Or do I need to limit the number of letters per word I use to make it easier for you, because you seem to be having a problem here .
So again, your response is that at least Christians don't behave like radical Muslims ?
Was he a radical Muslim? Or a Muslim? I get told her every day that a Christian is anyone who identifies as a Christian--and we all get held to the same standard.
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The OP, once again for those challenged by too many letters in words, is the Christian response to this act, not " Why Christians are responsible for this act". The (incessant and non stop ) whining has repeatedly come from those of you whining that people are using this issue to just be mean to all the Christians again. There is no comparison with anyone else to the amount of whining Christians do here . If this were banned , many Christians could not post .
There are numerous people on this thread that have held Christians in contempt because they view our attitude toward homosexuality as negatively as this Muslim.
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As far as comparing Christians to a Muslim country, you are the one bringing up Iran , so again, we seem to be having honesty problems with your statements.
Why don't you grow up and confine your discussions to what people actually say ? To help you along in understanding what I am driving at , and what I take to be the point of the OP , think about these two responses to this tragedy .
In CA a preacher rejoices at the deaths of the gays .Another pastor says the government should be killing them .
In Utah , a GOP Lt Gov and likely Mormon admits that he has acted in unkind ways to gays as a community in the past , and admits he and others have contributed to this climate of hate for gays .
These responses are the crux of what I am getting at .
And those "Christian" preachers that celebrate this violence are few and far between, and are immediately rebuked and condemned by other Christians.
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