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You see old horse! This is where things get complicated. So many believers all with different ideas of what 'God' is or isn't. Of course, if we have a god that is not omnimax then we have an answer to every problem don't we.
For 4000 years, Yahweh has been omnimax but now, faced with the logical inconsistencies and impossibilities that an omnimax deity raises, we see believers completely changing the nature of their god in order to overcome the problems.
I'm old enough to remember a time when Yahweh was an enigma, a mystery beyond the understanding of we mere mortals but suddenly, over the past 15 years or so, every believer has started having a bloody 'personal relationship' with the 'mysterious enigma' that was 'God'.
When one is faced with the insurmountable problem of... 'if god hates evil why doesn't an omnimax deity stop evil'...just claim that your god isn't omnimax. Simple! Problem solved.
I didn't claim anything about god. I simply asked a question. Relax, old goat.
So why not tell me what this god of yours is my old fruit pie? Describe it's attributes and powers. It will save me wasting my time typing as I don't type very fast.
So why not tell me what this god of yours is my old fruit pie? Describe it's attributes and powers. It will save me wasting my time typing as I don't type very fast.
My little pumpkin, I did not make any claims about god or it's attributes or powers. I posed a question, to perhaps generate discussion. Answer it or not, it's fine.
I didn't say it was completely impotent did I my petit chou-chou. I said 'pretty much'
And I didn't say you said it was "completely impotent", did I, mon ami?
I'm guessing that you do not want to answer my original question, then. Perhaps you could just relax, and let anyone who cares to answer it, do so.
Here it is again:
I'm not an Omni-god believer, but I'm curious if you think that a benevolent God knowing ahead of time what the result of free-will would be, would preclude that God from allowing it to go forward anyway? IF free-will is simply an integral part of being conscious and aware, did God do something evil by allowing people to experience being conscious and aware? Eternal torment not entering the equation (I'm assuming benevolent God would institute no such thing) and leaving out omnipotence as well (I'm assuming that God, at the very least, would be logically constrained by free will beings) do you think it is evil to give beings an opportunity to experience conscious life with the ability to choose freely how they will use that opportunity?
My little pumpkin, I did not make any claims about god or it's attributes or powers. I posed a question, to perhaps generate discussion. Answer it or not, it's fine.
You believe in a god and one would assume that you see certain attributes in the god that you believe in. I'm wondering what they are. You say that it isn't Yahweh so.... which?
You believe in a god and one would assume that you see certain attributes in the god that you believe in. I'm wondering what they are. You say that it isn't Yahweh so.... which?
And I didn't say you said it was "completely impotent", did I, mon ami?
I'm guessing that you do not want to answer my original question, then. Perhaps you could just relax, and let anyone who cares to answer it, do so.
Here it is again:
I'm not an Omni-god believer, but I'm curious if you think that a benevolent God knowing ahead of time what the result of free-will would be, would preclude that God from allowing it to go forward anyway?
...because if he is aware of the results of Hitler and allows Hitler to be born, knowing that Hitler's actions will result in the death and suffering of many millions, he cannot be described as benevolent.
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