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Tropical climates are defined as having a coldest month mean over 64ºF/18ºC. That isotherm is, while just a number, a good general indicator of tropicality. Climatology is based around averages and not extremes, for example no one is saying that Paris shouldn't be oceanic due to having recorded a record low of -11ºF/-24ºC and record high of 108ºF/42ºC. Still, it's obviously oceanic due to general moderate average temperatures in all seasons. Same with Miami, it may have a record low of 30ºF/-1ºC, but it hasn't froze since 1989, never will again, the averages of 76/60 are clearly tropical, and so is a hardiness zone 11a. If you love vegetation and ecology, the Everglades are naturally a tropical savanna And a fun fact: Miami Beach and the Florida Keys are the only places in the continental US without ever having a freeze.
That's because Paris is just a season moderated climate, not one that is perpetually warm or cold.
Tropicalness is the highest tier of perpetually warm climates, and shouldn't be diluted to include sea level frost.
If subtropical means anything, it would be climates that are almost tropical, but not quite.
Pretty much -that's because classification is subjective, only data is objective. Mediterranean is somewhat more consistent with regards to climate/vegetation, because it combines temperature and rainfall. Cfa and Cfb however, completely ignore the link between climate and vegetation..... tell me a single commonality you can make about Cfa vegetation.
Was confusing about these statements? The first just highlights that classification means little concerning the vegetation an area has. The second is pretty obvious, I would have thought.
Hey bro. You know I agree with what you said but I wouldn't spend too much time convincing other people the reality of Miami's climate. People are going to stick with their point of view of something no matter how much data and proof you bring to the table. While these guys did put up a decent argument, what you said makes the most sense. I already personally made it clear that Miami has strong tropical features in it's climate but hasn't quite cross that line in being "true tropical" AND still got met with resistance.
Not that I think vegetation matters, but Miami is a full zone warm enough to grow coconut palms (Miami is 11a) and cocos need zone 10a as well as adequate winter warmth, which South Florida definitely checks off the list. That's why cocos don't grow in zone 10 climates that lack winter warmth (64ºF/18ºC) such as SoCal, Sydney, Mediterranean Islands, and good luck trying to grow them in NZ! These locations with similar record lows to Miami are not tropical due to their average winter temperatures, but MIA with its consistently warm winters despite the odd cool snap cultivates cocos and is tropical.
If Calcutta is considered tropical with an average low of 52 F in January, then Miami is most certainly tropical.
It's 57.4F (not quite 60F but hey, they get a pass for that lol) actually and their record low is 44F - NEVER went below freezing like Miami has - they rarely even went below 50 over there.
Not most tropical place ever, but that it is tropical. The evidence is right in front of you
There is something I will say about Miami, if Miami, like the rest of the 48 states, didn't get constantly hit by these cold fronts from a low dipping polar jet (and even better, had an east-to-west mountain range further up north in the US to filter out frigid polar air masses) Miami will have one of the best "tropical" climates ever. It will probably never even get below 50F there if that was a reality.
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There is something I will say about Miami, if Miami, like the rest of the 48 states, didn't get constantly hit by these cold fronts from a low dipping polar jet (and even better, had an east-to-west mountain range further up north in the US to filter out frigid polar air masses) Miami will have one of the best "tropical" climates ever. It will probably never even get below 50F there if that was a reality.
Again, the reality is Miami clearly has a different climate than Orlando and Tampa. The sub 70°F highs and 70°F+ lows during winter are the clear divider.
But delving deeper, Miami avgs 5 lows below 50°F, 1 low below 45°F and no lows below 40°F for the last 30 years
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