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Old 08-25-2015, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So the US can conquer Canada and it would be ok?
What is recognized by the international community does not need my approval. I wasn't too happy about the Visigoths taking over the Kingdom of Asturia, either, but what are you gonna do?
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:54 PM
 
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Or, better yet, why don't we ask the people on Guam and Hawaii if they want to be Americans? Oh, we did that already!
I don't get your point, as always

Why don't you ask 1,000 Taiwanese around you if they want to be Americans?

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How about asking the Okinawans if they want to be part of Japan?
No problems for me.
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Old 10-24-2015, 02:18 AM
 
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But nobody ever mentions that Hawaii was forced to become part of the US
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Old 10-24-2015, 02:38 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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But nobody ever mentions that Hawaii was forced to become part of the US
Actually, this discussion generally does illicit analogues to western landgrabs... the counter argument being that the days of colonialism are over

Doesn't really matter one way or the other. Tibet is part of China, and there's nothing anyone in the world, from a former slaveowning theocratic class in exile rallying support from moneyed elites and idelistic college kids from the West to the people in Tibet can or will do anything about it. Same goes for Hawaii, basically. That's the way the world works, and always has worked.

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Old 10-24-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Actually, this discussion generally does illicit analogues to western landgrabs... the counter argument being that the days of colonialism are over

Doesn't really matter one way or the other. Tibet is part of China, and there's nothing anyone in the world, from a former slaveowning theocratic class in exile rallying support from moneyed elites and idelistic college kids from the West to the people in Tibet can or will do anything about it. Same goes for Hawaii, basically. That's the way the world works, and always has worked.
When Japan lost WWII, the chances of Tibet ever gaining independence pretty much ended.
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Old 10-24-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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Yeah yeah....like all the lecturing white men of the past. Democracy is a great thing, but it can come in many forms, and not all places can take the liberal form that this man is espousing. If he knows some basic Chinese history, he would know how misguided he is. Yet, free speech is indeed a beautiful thing....you can say whatever you want, and look as foolish as you want while doing it.
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:06 AM
 
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Tibet is as much part of China as the peripheral régions from ohter big nations : Hawaii or New Mexico for the US or Corsiaca and the French Antilles for FRANCE ETC;
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:27 PM
 
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Tibet is as much part of China as the peripheral régions from ohter big nations : Hawaii or New Mexico for the US or Corsiaca and the French Antilles for FRANCE ETC;
How about Taiwan, then?
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Old 11-06-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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How about Taiwan, then?
Taiwan has its own currency, governments, political system, laws. I consider it a separate country. Even from a historical perspective, it is not convincing to claim Taiwan was always a part of China.
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Old 11-06-2015, 08:58 AM
 
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But nobody ever mentions that Hawaii was forced to become part of the US
BBC run a story 5 days ago just on that.
Aloha to the US: Is Hawai'i an occupied nation? - BBC News
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