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Old 12-25-2016, 06:49 PM
 
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I think you ignore the fact that a Canadian Prime Minister is actually quite more powerful in Canada than an American president in its nation....and your senate is appointed not elected.
Both US and Canada's leaders can approve or disapprove pipelines. That suggests that they can both impose their will when it comes to decisions with national impact.

What can the Prime Minister do that the President cannot do?

 
Old 12-25-2016, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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Does he have the power to put his face on the dollar?
No.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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Actually, the point of this thread is to ask whether the liberal states should join with Canada. I pointed out that Canada is much, much, much poorer than the Blue States ($65k GDP PC vs. $43k in Canada) so the value derived from a merger would be deleterious to Blue States. That is the crux of my argument and all Canadians here seem to be blindly oblivious to that argument because nobody's responded to it.

It's much easier for the Canadians here to scream "DONALD TRUMP!!" as if that automatically renders every American argument moot.

The U.S. is actually the only Western nation where the Left has won the popular vote in 6 of the past 7 elections. That is a fact. That Trump won in 2016 due to our Electoral College does not dismiss the fact that the American people have not given the GOP a mandate since 2004. 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, 2012 and 2016 were all Dem wins. Considering Trump has a 41% approval rating and 37% favorability rating during his honeymoon, he'll likely lose the PV in 2020 as well (whether he wins the Rust Belt will determine whether he stays in power).

So you trying to cast America as some far-right hellhole is odd. But this is nothing new for many Canadians, who seem to have orgasms when anything bad befalls the U.S.

Here you go. Please tell me how this is a fascist dictatorship in the making:

60% of Americans do not approve of Trump's cabinet, a historical record:



58% think unfavorably of him, meaning he starts on thin ice in terms of a political mandate:



His base will be dead in 25 years and the young are 73% opposed to him:



A majority, by a 23-point margin, disapprove of how he's handling ties to the alt-right white nationalists:



60% say protecting the environment is worth the cost:



63% say immigrants strengthen the country:



Even young Republicans are on board:



53% say poverty is outside one's control:



54% want a left-wing healthcare system:



61% support same-sex marriage:



60% support marijuana legalization:



79% support abortion:



And Mike Pence is the first VP to start his honeymoon with net negative favorability ratings:



I know you hate the U.S.A. Fusion, but please point out where you see creeping fascism in public support. Trump won because he won the Labor left running on a platform of ending NAFTA, protectionism and tariffs. He won by letting up on social issues and running on a populist left platform. His stances today are those of Upper Midwest Conservadems (Apathetic on social issues, protectionist on economic issues). If he starts to govern like a right-winger, he'll lose his support to the Left, who in 2020 will have purged the last vestiges of the Clintonite Third Way Centrism.

The trends in the U.S.A. are obvious. That Trump won in 2016 against a hated establishment Dem after 8 years of a Dem presidency with no personality does not make those trends any less valid.

But please, you and your little cabal in this thread can continue to circle-jerk about how horrible the U.S.A. is. Americans do not derive our self-worth from claiming we are better than Canadians. We derive our self-worth on the incredible innovation we've helped build (including the computer you're using to condescendingly malign the U.S.) If Canadians derive their "identity" from hating the U.S., that says more about Canadians than it says about the U.S.


I would add that Trump will probably surprise many of his critics in the way he will govern....I suspect he is a pragmatist and, mark my words, he may be the one that will shove public health care down the throat of Republicans....
 
Old 12-25-2016, 06:55 PM
 
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No.
The Prime Minister just decided that another woman should be on Canadian money, so perhaps the PM does have more power:

"Civil rights pioneer Viola Desmond, a black woman, will be immortalized on Canada’s $10 bill.

Called the “Rosa Parks of Canada,” Desmond defied the colour barrier at a New Glasgow, N.S., movie house in 1946.

When the new banknotes enter circulation in 2018, Desmond will be the first woman who is not a Royal to have her face featured on Canadian currency."

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...announced.html
 
Old 12-25-2016, 07:01 PM
 
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By the way, on a side note, I love all this prognostication, especially from people that do not live in the US, about how terrible the next 4 years are going to be with Trump....did you not learn a thing or two recently about the danger of trying to predict the future?? Just saying....
They want the U.S.A. to burn. Many Canadians in this forum are frothing anti-Americans who loathe the fact that the U.S. is the strongest power on Earth. They hate that Canada is in the shadows of the USA, and want nothing but to put the U.S. in its place.

For over 50 years, the bridge between the Francophone Quebecois and the Anglo Americans has been an incessant and irrational hatred of Americans. Canadians derive their identity from "not being American", so they need to constantly criticize the U.S. to affirm their common identity (which they lack outside of hating America.)

But don't take my word for it, the U.S. State Department says so itself: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...a-08OTTAWA1258

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Despite the overwhelming importance of the U.S. to Canada for its economy and security, bilateral relations remain the proverbial 900 pound gorilla that no one wants to talk about in the 2008 Canadian federal election campaigns. This likely reflects an almost inherent inferiority complex of Canadians vis-a-vis their sole neighbor as well as an underlying assumption that the fundamentals of the relationship are strong and unchanging and uncertainty about the outcome of the U.S. Presidential election. End Summary.
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Canadians are, by and large, obsessed with U.S. politics -- especially in the 2008 Presidential race -- and follow them minutely (with many Canadians even wishing they could vote in this U.S. election rather than their own, according to a recent poll). U.S. culture infiltrates Canadian life on every level. 80 pct of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border, and Canadians tend to visit the U.S. much more regularly than their American neighbors come here.
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Mr. President, Your decision to make Ottawa your first foreign destination as President will do much to diminish -- temporarily, at least -- Canada's habitual inferiority complex vis-a-vis the U.S. and its chronic but accurate complaint that the U.S. pays far less attention to Canada than Canada does to us.
The U.S. government even has file folders on the Canadian inferiority complex. It's very sad that the Canadian people don't devote their talents to anything but obsessive invectives against Americans.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 07:03 PM
 
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Originally Posted by manitopiaaa View Post

Actually, the point of this thread is to ask whether the liberal states should join with Canada. I pointed out that Canada is much, much, much poorer than the Blue States ($65k GDP PC vs. $43k in Canada) so the value derived from a merger would be deleterious to Blue States. That is the crux of my argument and all Canadians here seem to be blindly oblivious to that argument because nobody's responded to it.
It was just a red herring. What would be the point of responding to it? It's so obvious there's nothing to acknowledge or debate. More to the point, who gives a damn? It's not our problem and since your blue states are never going to become part of Canada it's an irrelevant point since what you consider Canada's lack of value is never going to be a problem for them either.

As to all the rest of your points you've made so far - all boring, pompous and incredibly vulgar as is so typical of you. Your vulgarity is toxic enough to make me wonder how you don't make yourself sick just from thinking the way you do.



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Old 12-25-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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Both US and Canada's leaders can approve or disapprove pipelines. That suggests that they can both impose their will when it comes to decisions with national impact.

What can the Prime Minister do that the President cannot do?
A prime minister with a majority government is very powerful...no term limits, actually you may end up with a prime minister you did not vote for (changing in the leadership of the party in power)

Someone else also said:

He can pass anything he wants in the House of Commons.


The chamber of sober second thought, the Senate has a say in matters but he also names Senators when he is in power. If he inherits a minority in the Senate he also has even the power to increase the size of the Senate and name people loyal to him, in order to gain a majority there too.


He also names the Governor General who gives royal assent to all laws and has, among other powers, the right to dissolve the government.


He names the judges to the Supreme Court of Canada, and a whole bunch of other judges all across the country.


He names the Lieutenant Governors of all of the provinces, who are responsible for approving provincial laws and can dissolve governments there too.


He names the head of the armed forces, and of the RCMP.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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The Prime Minister just decided that another woman should be on Canadian money, so perhaps the PM does have more power:

"Civil rights pioneer Viola Desmond, a black woman, will be immortalized on Canada’s $10 bill.

Called the “Rosa Parks of Canada,” Desmond defied the colour barrier at a New Glasgow, N.S., movie house in 1946.

When the new banknotes enter circulation in 2018, Desmond will be the first woman who is not a Royal to have her face featured on Canadian currency."

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...announced.html
I don't know about the Canadian PM's power, but the U.S. President doesn't have the right to decide who goes on currency. The U.S. $20 is getting Harriet Tubman and the whole process is taking place at the Treasury Department through a lengthly public comment period with tons of legal and procedural hurdles. The process here is so long that Tubman won't be on the $20 until 2027, 15 years after the process began.

By U.S. statute, you must also be dead to be on U.S. currency as well.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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Both US and Canada's leaders can approve or disapprove pipelines. That suggests that they can both impose their will when it comes to decisions with national impact.

What can the Prime Minister do that the President cannot do?
The U.S. President can only approve or disapprove pipelines that cross national borders. That's because the State Department is given the right to assess whether such a project would be in the national interest. The President can then command the Secretary of State to deny required clearances based on that Departmental assessment.

There's a lot of pipelines, like Mountain Valley and Atlantic Coast in Virginia, that are strongly opposed but are wholly within the purview of FERC. The White House has no say on those.
 
Old 12-25-2016, 07:17 PM
 
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They want the U.S.A. to burn. Many Canadians in this forum are frothing anti-Americans who loathe the fact that the U.S. is the strongest power on Earth. They hate that Canada is in the shadows of the USA, and want nothing but to put the U.S. in its place.

For over 50 years, the bridge between the Francophone Quebecois and the Anglo Americans has been an incessant and irrational hatred of Americans. Canadians derive their identity from "not being American", so they need to constantly criticize the U.S. to affirm their common identity (which they lack outside of hating America.)

But don't take my word for it, the U.S. State Department says so itself: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...a-08OTTAWA1258

The U.S. government even has file folders on the Canadian inferiority complex. It's very sad that the Canadian people don't devote their talents to anything but obsessive invectives against Americans.
Not so about Canada!

Canadians have their own 150 years of identity and culture. The origin is European ancestors.

USA have their own multi-layered identify and culture, one that is in many ways impaired by their slave history - German Angst on steroids. Besides the angst, there's the need to be numero uno. It's good to know that propaganda is used to ensure that people in the USA believe that everyone else wants to be just like them.
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